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Les Sleeth
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Originally posted by Another God
Well obviously I don't get something here. What self organisation? What is being questioned?
The normal stuff is normal, and you agree with that... but you don't agree that the organisation is happening, yet all I have said is that this normal stuff, IS the organisation. Thats all that 'life' is. The normal stuff over and over again, layer upon layer upon layer. How it started is just a drawn out process of layering.
What else do you want?
I want to amend what I said to the above point of yours.
You are right to say life is layer upon layer, and that chemistry is the mechanical basis for achieving that layering. You are also right to say that the chemistry involved through every layer and type of process is "normal."
But you would admit that the layering is not just repetitive stacking wouldn't you? Each layer is adaptive and normally helps the over all system of layers survive better. So, clearly the layering process is quite unsual in this physical universe where we have never seen anything like it outside of life.
Here is what the question is:
What is causing that virtually perpetual and adaptive layering? Is it chemistry itself?
If you say yes, and because you say this chemistry some billions of years ago began that perpetual, adaptive, layering process all on its own, then that means chemistry has to possesses the inherent potential for perpetual, adaptive, layering self organization.
Demonstrate it.
The examples you and others give do not demonstrate that ability. Instead your examples show that chemistry can be made to head in that direction.
To that I say, well of course! Chemistry is fundamental to all life processes. Why shouldn't the chemistry of a planet where life is so abundant exhibit the potential to be formed into cellular components.
The problem chemogenesis theorists have is that they cannot get chemistry to keep on "going" by itself, without their help, or even very far with their help.
What does "going" mean? It means achieve the perpetual, adaptive, layering process without turning merely repetitive.
IT CAN'T BE DONE (now at least)! And you need to prove chemistry can do that, by itself, before you tell the world chemogenesis is the "most likely" cause of the perpetual, adaptive, layering process.
Until you do prove chemistry can self organize itself like that, it remains just as possible that another force/influence is responsible for the perpetual, adaptive, layering process that lead to life.