Oscillatory solution for a given Lagrangian

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You need initial conditions only when you have a first-order differential equation.In summary, the Lagrangian given in the problem corresponds to a charged particle interacting with an electromagnetic field. The equations of motion are found using the Euler-Lagrange equations, and the solutions for z, x, and y are all found to correspond to oscillatory motion. The particular solution for the system of equations involving x and y can be found by inspection, without the need for initial conditions.
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Homework Statement



Consider the following Lagrangian:[tex] L = \frac{m}{2}(x'^2+y'^2+z'^2) + \frac{q}{2}(xy'-yx') [/tex]

Where q denotes a charged particle.

a) Find the equations of motion
b) Find the solution for z
c) Find the solution in the x-y plane, and prove that it corresponds to an oscillatory motion along both axes.

The Attempt at a Solution



Considering the Euler-Lagrange equations, the solution for coordinate z is given by:

d/dt (mz') = 0
Thus, a solution for z corresponds to a uniform linear motion along z axis.

For x and y, I get the following systems of dif. equations:

mx'' - qy' = 0
my'' + qx' = 0

I tried solving this system by integrating and substituting,

i.e. mx'' = qy' /integrate
mx' = qy + C
x' = qy/m + C

Substituting, we get
y'' + y(q^2)/(m^2) = C

The inverse process could be done to get an equation for x.

Which I do not think is the right answer, and I don't know how many laws of mathematics I violated while doing that. Could anyone please show me what is the right procedure to solve this system of equations?

Also, I have the impression this Lagrangian corresponds to a charge q interacting with an electromagnetic field. It would be great if anyone could explain me a little bit further about that.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
 
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Siberion said:
mx'' - qy' = 0
my'' - qx' = 0

Should both equations have a negative sign in the left side?
 
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TSny said:
Should both equations have a negative sign in the left side?

Sorry, my bad, I missed a minus sign in the second equation, then the system becomes:

mx'' - qy' = 0
my'' + qx' = 0

Following the same process I mentioned before, equation for y becomes:

y'' + y(q^2)/(m^2) = C
 
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I'm not sure of your math background. If you've had a course in differential equations, then you know that the general solution to this type of equation is y = yh + yp where yh is the general solution of the homogeneous equation y'' + (q/m)2y = 0 and yp is any particular solution of y'' + (q/m)2y = C.
 
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TSny said:
I'm not sure of your math background. If you've had a course in differential equations, then you know that the general solution to this type of equation is y = yh + yp where yh is the general solution of the homogeneous equation y'' + (q/m)2y = 0 and yp is any particular solution of y'' + (q/m)2y = C.

I'm sorry if this becomes too obvious. I've taken Dif. Equations, but my math background is a bit blurry at the moment, because I've just re-taken classes. Once I recall the methods things go easier.

I can see that the solution for the homogeneus equation is indeed an oscillatory motion, both for x and y. I'm having trouble about what to do with the particular solution since I don't have any initial condition.

Would you say that the method I applied to solve the problem is correct?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Yes, your method is a correct way to do it. You've found the general solution to y'' + (q/m)2y = 0. Now you just need any particular solution to y'' + (q/m)2y = C. You should be able to this by inspection. You do not need initial conditions here.
 

FAQ: Oscillatory solution for a given Lagrangian

What is an oscillatory solution for a given Lagrangian?

An oscillatory solution for a given Lagrangian refers to a solution that exhibits oscillatory behavior, meaning it alternates between two or more states or values over time. This type of solution is typically observed in systems that possess energy or momentum-conserving properties, such as a pendulum or a spring-mass system.

How is an oscillatory solution determined for a given Lagrangian?

An oscillatory solution for a given Lagrangian can be determined through mathematical analysis, using techniques such as solving the equations of motion or performing a stability analysis. Additionally, experimental methods can also be used to observe and confirm the presence of oscillatory behavior in a system.

What factors influence the presence of an oscillatory solution in a given Lagrangian?

The presence of an oscillatory solution in a given Lagrangian is influenced by various factors, such as the initial conditions of the system, the parameters in the Lagrangian, and the boundary conditions. In general, systems with energy-conserving properties and non-linear dynamics are more likely to exhibit oscillatory behavior.

Can an oscillatory solution exist in a system with a linear Lagrangian?

Yes, an oscillatory solution can exist in a system with a linear Lagrangian. While a linear Lagrangian typically produces solutions that are stable and do not exhibit oscillatory behavior, there are cases where the system may exhibit small oscillations around its equilibrium state. This is known as linearized oscillatory behavior.

How does the presence of an oscillatory solution affect the stability of a system?

The presence of an oscillatory solution can affect the stability of a system in various ways. In some cases, it may indicate that the system is unstable, as the oscillatory behavior could lead to a complete breakdown of the system. However, in other cases, an oscillatory solution may indicate that the system is stable, as the oscillations may dampen out over time and the system returns to its equilibrium state.

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