Partial derivative w.r.t. another partial derivative

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The discussion focuses on calculating the expression $$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\partial\phi / \partial x)}\right)$$ for the given Lagrangian $$L = \left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right)^2$$. The initial calculations suggest that the result includes a term from the vector potential A, which raises questions about its significance. Participants clarify that the Lagrangian should be interpreted as a dot product, leading to the conclusion that the term involving A may not contribute under certain conditions. Ultimately, the goal is to demonstrate that $$\nabla^2 \phi = 0$$ by summing the derivatives correctly.
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Homework Statement


Given
$$L = \left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right)^2 ,$$

how do you calculate $$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\partial\phi / \partial x)}\right)?$$

Homework Equations


By summing over the x, y, and z derivatives, the answer is supposed to show that ##\nabla^2 \phi = 0##.

The Attempt at a Solution


My vector calculus isn't too good, so here's my guess ( ##\partial\phi / \partial x \equiv \phi_x##):

$$\begin{align}
\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\phi_x)} &= 2(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}})\cdot\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi_x} (\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}})\right] \\
&= 2\left(\langle\phi_x + A_x,\phi_y + A_y,\phi_z + A_z\rangle\right)\cdot\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial(\phi_x)}\langle\phi_x + A_x, \phi_y + A_y, \phi_z + A_z\rangle\right] \\
&= 2\left(\langle\phi_x + A_x,\phi_y + A_y,\phi_z + A_z\rangle\right)\cdot\langle 1,0,0\rangle\\
&= 2(\phi_x + \dot{A}_x)
\end{align}
$$

and so

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\phi_x)} = 2(\phi_{xx} + \dot{A}_{xx})$$

and summing gives ##\nabla^2\phi + \nabla^2 \dot{A}##.

So did I calculate ##\frac{\partial L}{\partial(\phi_x)}## correctly? If so, why is there still an A term at the end?
 
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cc94 said:
$$L = \left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right)^2 ,$$
This is a meaningless equation. The power operator is not defined for vectors. ##\vec x \vec x = ## ?
If it were written as ##L =|\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}|^2##, it would be equivalent to ##L =\left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right) \cdot \left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right)##. Then your result would be correct except for a factor of 2.
 
tnich said:
This is a meaningless equation. The power operator is not defined for vectors. ##\vec x \vec x = ## ?
If it were written as ##L =|\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}|^2##, it would be equivalent to ##L =\left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right) \cdot \left(\nabla\phi + \dot{\textbf{A}}\right)##. Then your result would be correct except for a factor of 2.

Er, yeah the power is supposed to be the dot product like you wrote. Ok, so I just have to figure out why the A term is zero. Thanks!
 
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