Probability Density Functions in Fluid Mechanics

AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on understanding how to plot the Probability Density Function (PDF) for a fluctuating velocity function, specifically u(t)=sin(wt), using a graphical technique. The original poster is confused about the concept of a PDF for a deterministic function and seeks resources for clarification, especially given the impending exam. They explore the idea of creating a histogram by segmenting the function and normalizing the areas to approximate the PDF. The challenge remains in applying this method to random data, particularly in determining the appropriate range of values for the histogram. The conversation highlights the complexity of modeling turbulent flow, where statistical methods are often necessary due to the chaotic nature of the Navier-Stokes equations.
pobatso
Messages
16
Reaction score
0
Hi all,

For an exam I'm required to be able to plot the PDF of a fluctuating velocity function, say u(t)=sint(wt), using what they call the "graphical technique", but handily I can't find it anywhere in the lecture notes, and I'm struggling to find anything with a standard Google search.

Does anyone know an online resource or otherwise where I can learn this?

Cheers,
pobatso.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
And unfortunately I was foolish enough to leave this to 24hrs before the exam, please guys anything you can offer would be great!
 
I'm trying to figure out what the question means, but how can there be a PDF when your velocity function is entirely deterministic?
 
Apologies, I'll try to be more specific, see if that helps. Although the wording for the question applies also to random data, and the same question has been asked for random data, ie:

"Sketch a random signal u(t) as a function of time t and use the Graphical Technique to find the PDF"

Another part of the same q was:

"Repeat the above for a sine signal u(t)=sin(wt)"

Note that the u(t) function is reresenting the fluctuating value of the velocity signal around a mean value of a turbulent flow that doesn't change with time, say U', so that the absolute value U(t), is U(t)=U' + u(t).

Does this help at all?
 
Last edited:
MikeyW said:
I'm trying to figure out what the question means, but how can there be a PDF when your velocity function is entirely deterministic?

Because unfortunately the Navier-Stokes equations are so highly nonlinear that accurate prediction of the quantities is near impossible in the turbulent regime given current technology. It is essentially a region of "spatiotemporal chaos" within which the quantities are often described statistically for modeling purposes.
 
Think I'm a step closer - for the u=sin(wt) function, what I've done is basically made a histogram by taking small increments of du, say 10, and finding the range of t values that will occupy that specific segment. After normalising the areas so summed they all equal 1, you plot it as a histogram - voila, an estimation of the actual PDF.

However, how would you go about applying this to completely random data? How do you find the range of t values that would fit between it? Presumably the final graph will look something like a normal distribution, but how do you get those initial values for the histogram?
 
Thread 'Is 'Velocity of Transport' a Recognized Term in English Mechanics Literature?'
Here are two fragments from Banach's monograph in Mechanics I have never seen the term <<velocity of transport>> in English texts. Actually I have never seen this term being named somehow in English. This term has a name in Russian books. I looked through the original Banach's text in Polish and there is a Polish name for this term. It is a little bit surprising that the Polish name differs from the Russian one and also differs from this English translation. My question is: Is there...
I know that mass does not affect the acceleration in a simple pendulum undergoing SHM, but how does the mass on the spring that makes up the elastic pendulum affect its acceleration? Certainly, there must be a change due to the displacement from equilibrium caused by each differing mass? I am talking about finding the acceleration at a specific time on each trial with different masses and comparing them. How would they compare and why?
Back
Top