Prolonging the Life of Poorly Accessible Rusted Steel

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In summary, the conversation discusses the issue of rust on the brake lines of an old car. The speaker had a rear brake line fail due to rust and is looking for a temporary solution to buy some time before replacing the lines. They mention using copper nickel line and potentially using tannic acid or rustoleum. They also mention concerns about access and time constraints for fixing the issue. The conversation also touches on the potential contribution of water in the brake fluid to the rust and suggests using fresh fluid to slow down corrosion. Finally, the conversation briefly mentions various commercial rust removal products and the use of acids, such as lemon juice or vinegar, to remove rust.
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I had a rear 3/16" OD steel brake line in my car fail due to rust. I spliced out the area with the hole with copper nickel line, but, I noticed that there's areas closer to the engine where the painted surfaces have bubbled a bit. Unfortunately, access is such that I can't splice fresh line, but I can get a hand up there, and, to a point, maybe sand down the surface and paint it. Due to the gauge of the tubing, though, I can't sand that aggressively, so, no matter what, I can't remove every bit of rust.

I have a very old car that I don't plan on keeping more than a few months. I'm just trying to find an approach that buys me the most time. Right now, I'm thinking maybe tannic acid and then rustoleum. Or maybe zinc paint? Thoughts?

Accessing the lines involves both a window of good weather and a pretty hefty chunk of time lifting the car high enough and removing the protective shield, so whatever I come up with needs to be a one shot deal. Again, not looking for forever, just a few months. There's a good chance, that, doing nothing, I'll be fine for a few months, but, I'd still like to hedge my bets by trying something.

And, just to be clear, there's no need for a safety lecture. When my rear brake line failed, the car still stopped fine. If this were a front brake, I'd be a lot more cautious about slightly rusty lines, but, it's not. My front brakes are flawless.
 
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Rust may be working its way out, since brake fluid is highly hygroscopic.
Also, when one branch fails, most cars lose pressure in one front brake and the opposite rear brake (rather than both front or both rear calipers).
There are commercial products that stop the rust without the need for over-painting the affected surface.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Rust may be working its way out, since brake fluid is highly hygroscopic.
Also, when one branch fails, most cars lose pressure in one front brake and the opposite rear brake (rather than both front or both rear calipers).
There are commercial products that stop the rust without the need for over-painting the affected surface.

Interesting. Regarding the hygroscopicity. So, potential water in the previously aging fluid might have been contributory. Assuming the corrosion was internal, now that the fluid has been aggressively replaced with fresh fluid, that might slow the corrosion down, correct?

What commercial products are you referring to?
 
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Yes, fresh fluid will greatly help.

It seems that your tube is suffering a pitting corrosion.
If so, many more pin-holes are currently developing.
Please, see:
https://corrosion-doctors.org/Corrosion-History/Rusting.htm

You can look up "Rust remover jelly" for local options.
Loctite has good products.

 
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Slightly off-topic for your brake lines, but here goes:

Generally, any acid will remove rust. Check the label on some of them, many are phosphoric acid which is a decent medium-strength rust remover.

Don't use strong acids like hydrochloric (muriatic) or sulfuric acid, they strip off so much of the metal surface that the rust returns with a vengeance.

For gentler action, there is lemon juice or vinegar.

You also have a choice of liquids or gels. Gels are great for larger items that you don't want to dunk in a large container. For smaller and/or more detailed objects I lean towards immersing in the liquid formulations; or sometimes saturating a rag and just wiping the surface.

Cheers,
Tom
 
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FAQ: Prolonging the Life of Poorly Accessible Rusted Steel

What are the common methods for treating rusted steel in poorly accessible areas?

The common methods include using rust converters, applying corrosion-inhibiting coatings, and using cathodic protection. Rust converters chemically transform rust into a stable compound, while corrosion-inhibiting coatings create a barrier against moisture. Cathodic protection involves using a sacrificial anode to prevent rusting.

How effective are rust converters in prolonging the life of rusted steel?

Rust converters can be quite effective in stabilizing rust and preventing further corrosion. They work by chemically converting iron oxide (rust) into a more stable compound, such as iron tannate or iron phosphate. However, their effectiveness can vary based on the extent of rust and the thoroughness of application.

Can coatings be applied to rusted steel without removing the rust first?

Yes, certain coatings are designed to be applied directly over rust. These coatings often contain rust converters or inhibitors that neutralize the rust and form a protective barrier. However, for best results, loose rust and scale should be removed before application to ensure better adhesion and durability.

What are the challenges of applying cathodic protection to poorly accessible rusted steel?

The main challenges include ensuring proper electrical contact and maintaining the system over time. Poorly accessible areas may make it difficult to install sacrificial anodes or impressed current systems effectively. Regular monitoring and maintenance are also more challenging in these areas, which can affect the long-term efficacy of cathodic protection.

How can regular maintenance help in prolonging the life of rusted steel in hard-to-reach areas?

Regular maintenance, including inspections and touch-up treatments, can significantly prolong the life of rusted steel. By identifying and addressing early signs of corrosion, you can prevent small issues from becoming major problems. Maintenance may involve reapplying coatings, replacing sacrificial anodes, and ensuring that protective measures remain intact and effective.

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