Quantum mechanics operator manipulation

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the variance of an operator, defined as \(\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} - \langle \hat{A} \rangle\), satisfies the equation \((\Delta A)^2 = \langle \hat{O_A}^2 \rangle\). Participants explore the relationship between the operator and its expectation values, leading to the simplification of the expression for \(\hat{O_A}^2\). Questions arise regarding the treatment of expectation values, particularly whether they remain unchanged when taking the expectation of an already calculated expectation value. Clarifications confirm that expectation values are indeed constants in this context. The thread concludes with a consensus on the manipulation of operators and their corresponding expectation values in quantum mechanics.
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Homework Statement


consider operator defined as \hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>
show that (ΔA)^2=<\hat{O_A}^2>

Homework Equations


(ΔA)^2=<\hat{A}^2>-<\hat{A}>^2


The Attempt at a Solution


(ΔA)^2=<\hat{A}^2>-<\hat{A}>^2
= <\hat{A}^2> - (\hat{A} -\hat{O_A})^2
= <\hat{A}^2> - \hat{A}^2 + 2\hat{A}<\hat{O_A}> - \hat{O_A}^2

or

\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>

\hat{O_A}^2 = (\hat{A} -<\hat{A}>)^2

\hat{O_A}^2 = \hat{A}^2-2\hat{A}<\hat{A}>+\hat{A}^2

But I don't know how to convert the operator \hat{O_A} into the expectation value <\hat{O_A}>...?
 
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Tom_12 said:
\hat{O_A} = \hat{A} -<\hat{A}>

\hat{O_A}^2 = (\hat{A} -<\hat{A}>)^2

\hat{O_A}^2 = \hat{A}^2-2\hat{A}<\hat{A}>+\hat{A}^2

But I don't know how to convert the operator \hat{O_A} into the expectation value <\hat{O_A}>...?

What happens when the expectation of both sides of the last line is taken?
 
George Jones said:
What happens when the expectation of both sides of the last line is taken?

Does this happen:

<\hat{O_A}^2> = <\hat{A}^2>-2<\hat{A}><\hat{A}>+<\hat{A}>^2

<\hat{O_A}^2> = <\hat{A}^2>-2<\hat{A}>^2+<\hat{A}>^2

<\hat{O_A}^2> = (ΔA)^2...?

I am not sure what happens when you take the expectation value of a term that is already an expectation value, does it just remains unchanged?
 
An expectation value is just a number, so yes, it remains unchanged.
 
Oh yes, of course. Thank you.
 
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