Question: vector integral in non-orthog coordinates

In summary, the conversation is about using the change of variables theorem on an integral in a non-orthogonal curvilinear coordinate system. The question is whether the gradient operator and induced inner product need to be converted in the new coordinate system. The speaker suggests expanding the vectors in their cartesian components to get rid of the dot product and then changing the differential to be with respect to the new coordinate system. The validity of this approach is questioned and an alternative approach using the skew coordinate system is proposed. The question of whether the inner product would still be diagonal in this case is also raised.
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Hi, I think I have a relatively simple question. I'm not that strong in differential geometry at all so a shorter and somewhat heuristic answer might actually be more useful to me than a rigorous one.

Suppose I want to use the change of variables theorem on the following integral, where I will be changing variables into a non-orthogonal curvilinear coordinate system [tex]{\xi_1, \xi_2, \xi_3}[/tex] to describe my domain. Assume Euclidian space, smooth boundary, etc.

[tex]\int_{\Gamma} \nabla u \cdot \mathbf{n} \ d\Gamma[/tex]

I am used to doing this integral only in orthonormal coordinate systems, so my question is that when I change coordinate systems to [tex]{\xi_1, \xi_2, \xi_3}[/tex], do I need to convert the gradient operator and/or use the induced inner product in this new coordinate system?

It seems to me the answer would be no, because I can expand the vectors in their cartesian components and rid myself of the dot product that way.

[tex]\int_{\Gamma} \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi_a} \frac{\partial \xi_a}{\partial x_i} \mathbf{\tilde{e_i}} \cdot n_j \mathbf{\tilde{e_j}} \ d\Gamma[/tex]

Obviously in a cartesian frame, [tex]\mathbf{\tilde{e_i}}\cdot\mathbf{\tilde{e_j}}=\delta_{ij}[/tex]

Giving

[tex]\int_{\Gamma} \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi_a} \frac{\partial \xi_a}{\partial x_i} n_i \ d\Gamma[/tex]

after which point I can change the differential to be w.r.t. [tex]\xi[/tex], have consistent area size, etc.

Is this valid? I feel like I got something for nothing.

Would it be equally valid to recast the gradient in the skew coordinate system along with the normal, giving
[tex]\int_{\Gamma} \nabla_{\xi} u \cdot n_j \mathbf{\tilde{g_j}} \ d\Gamma[/tex]


And in this case, would the inner product still be diagonal and not some other bilinear form, even though the (skew) basis functions would have off-diagonal metric coefficients?

thanks for any help!
 

FAQ: Question: vector integral in non-orthog coordinates

What is a vector integral?

A vector integral is a mathematical operation that integrates a vector-valued function over a specified region in space. It is similar to the concept of a regular integral, but instead of integrating a scalar function, it integrates a vector function.

What are non-orthogonal coordinates?

Non-orthogonal coordinates are a system of coordinates in which the coordinate axes are not perpendicular to each other. This means that the angles between the axes are not 90 degrees. Examples of non-orthogonal coordinates include cylindrical and spherical coordinates.

How do you perform a vector integral in non-orthogonal coordinates?

To perform a vector integral in non-orthogonal coordinates, you must first express the vector function in terms of the non-orthogonal coordinate system. Then, you can use the appropriate integration formulas for the specific coordinate system to solve the integral.

Why is it important to consider non-orthogonal coordinates in vector integrals?

Sometimes, the physical problem being studied may naturally lend itself to a non-orthogonal coordinate system. In these cases, using non-orthogonal coordinates can simplify the problem and make it easier to solve. Additionally, some problems may have boundary conditions that are better suited for non-orthogonal coordinates.

Are there any applications of vector integrals in non-orthogonal coordinates?

Yes, vector integrals in non-orthogonal coordinates have many applications in physics and engineering. Some examples include calculating the force on a charged particle in an electric field, calculating the magnetic field produced by a current-carrying wire, and determining the velocity of a fluid flow.

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