Related Rates: Calculating the Pressure Change in a Gas Container

In summary, a container of constant volume contains a quantity of gas under pressure. At t=0, the pressure is 4 psi and the temperature is 15°C per minute. The rate of change of the pressure inside the container at time t=0 cannot be determined without knowing the value of the constant in the equation. The wording of the temperature value in the problem is odd and it is best to seek clarification from the instructor.
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Homework Statement



A container of constant volume contains a quantity of gas under pressure. At t=0, the pressure is 4 psi and the temperature is 15°C per minute. What is the rate of change of the pressure inside the container at time t=0?

Homework Equations



[itex]\frac{P}{T}[/itex] = constant

The Attempt at a Solution



Taking the derivative of both sides and then simplifying, I ended up with:

T[itex]\frac{dP}{dT}[/itex] - P[itex]\frac{dT}{dT}[/itex] = 0

So solving for dP/dt:

[itex]\frac{dP}{dt}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{P}{T}[/itex][itex]\frac{dT}{dt}[/itex]

This is where I get stuck. I know P = 4 psi and dT/dt = 15°C per minute, but I can't figure out how to determine T. Without knowing the actual value of the constant in the original formula, I don't see how it is possible. The wording of the temperature value in the problem sounds odd to me. The only thing I can think of is that the temperature should be assumed to be 0°C at t=0 and so dP/dt does not exist. Is this it, or am I missing some way to find T?
 
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pry_or said:

Homework Statement



A container of constant volume contains a quantity of gas under pressure. At t=0, the pressure is 4 psi and the temperature is 15°C per minute.
15°C per minute is not a temperature. It's the time rate of change of temperature. What is the exact wording of this problem?
pry_or said:
What is the rate of change of the pressure inside the container at time t=0?

Homework Equations



[itex]\frac{P}{T}[/itex] = constant

The Attempt at a Solution



Taking the derivative of both sides and then simplifying, I ended up with:

T[itex]\frac{dP}{dT}[/itex] - P[itex]\frac{dT}{dT}[/itex] = 0

So solving for dP/dt:

[itex]\frac{dP}{dt}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{P}{T}[/itex][itex]\frac{dT}{dt}[/itex]

This is where I get stuck. I know P = 4 psi and dT/dt = 15°C per minute, but I can't figure out how to determine T. Without knowing the actual value of the constant in the original formula, I don't see how it is possible. The wording of the temperature value in the problem sounds odd to me. The only thing I can think of is that the temperature should be assumed to be 0°C at t=0 and so dP/dt does not exist. Is this it, or am I missing some way to find T?
 
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That is the exact wording of the problem. That's why I said the wording was odd.
 
  • #4
Whoever wrote the problem made a mistake. I would get some clarification from the instructor as to what the real problem is.
 
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That's what I expected, thank you!
 

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