Relative Velocity - Mistake in Textbook?

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The discussion centers on a perceived mistake in a free online physics textbook regarding the definition of muzzle velocity. The textbook states that muzzle velocity is the sum of the velocities of two objects, represented as vM = vB + vC. However, this interpretation is challenged, as the correct formula for relative velocity should be vM = vB - vC. The confusion arises from the distinction between "unsigned quantities" (speeds) and "signed quantities" (velocities). When considering the direction of movement, if the cannonball moves to the right at 300 m/s and the cannon rolls back at 2 m/s, the relative velocity should be calculated as vB - vC, resulting in a total of 302 m/s to the right. The discussion highlights that while the textbook uses the term "velocity," it often refers to speeds without specifying direction, leading to misunderstandings.
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I am just reading through this free online textbook and it seems to me that there is a mistake on page 24.

http://www.anselm.edu/internet/physics/cbphysics/downloadsI/cbPhysicsIa18.pdf#page=23

He describes the muzzle velocity, which he defines as the relative velocity between two objects, as being the sum of the two objects. Which in this case is:

vM=vB+vC

This is not the relative velocity, this would be the relative velocity between these two objects:

vM=vB-vC

Am I missing something really simple or is this actually a mistake?
 
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You would be correct if v_B and v_C were "vectors" or (in one dimension) "signed quantities" so that with the cannon ball going to the right, v_B were positive and with the cannon rolling to the left, v_C would be negative. But here they are clearly using the speeds or "unsigned quantities", not velocities.

For example, if the cannon ball went to the right at, say, 300 m/s while the cannon rolled back at 2 m/s. then, as velocities or "signed quantities" we would say that v_B= 300 and v_C= -2 so that the "relative velocity" would be v_B- v_C= 300- (-2)= 302 m/s. But the book is using the "unsigned" speeds: v_B= 300 m/s to the right and v_C= 2 to the left so that the relative speed is v_B+ v_C= 300+ 2= 302 m/s to the right.
 
HallsofIvy said:
But here they are clearly using the speeds or "unsigned quantities", not velocities.

Yes, this would make sense. I guess their use of the word velocity threw me off.
 
HenryA. said:
I guess their use of the word velocity threw me off.
That's understandable. Reading it carefully, I noticed they make statements along the lines of "the velocity is vB to the right". Since they specify a direction, they are correct to use "velocity" rather than "speed". However, vB by itself (with no direction specified) is a speed, not a velocity.
 
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