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Who is excited for this film? I love survival films and his one is hot on my radar!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659388/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659388/
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The Martian Movie - Survival Thriller
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In summary, the film is superficial and badly dumbed down. This is especially jarring when you consider what made the book it's based on so much fun.
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Wow it looks amazing! Now I'm excited too!
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Greg Bernhardt said:
YES!
The problem is, should I read the book first?
My friend gave me her copy of the book this last Monday.
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My dilemma as well. We only have a week until the movie is out.OmCheeto said:
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Haha I was really excited to see it this past weekend... Only to find out that it is released next weekend!
Thats what I get for assuming that all this hype on social media implied that it was released.
I debated reading the book after I saw the first trailer, but I fell back on past experience. Movies can be good. But the book is almost always better. So if you see the movie then read the book you get double enjoyment. If you read the book and then see the movie you're disappointed in how much better the movie should have been :)
Thats what I get for assuming that all this hype on social media implied that it was released.
I debated reading the book after I saw the first trailer, but I fell back on past experience. Movies can be good. But the book is almost always better. So if you see the movie then read the book you get double enjoyment. If you read the book and then see the movie you're disappointed in how much better the movie should have been :)
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93% on RT! I can't wait to see it next week!
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Yeah, this does look like a good one, and Matt Damon is usually good. It has gotten unusually high ratings for this type of movie.
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4 hours until showtime for me.Greg Bernhardt said:
Ugh! It's in 3D. I hope that technology has improved a bit.
ps. In case anyone was wondering why I posted an image of the book, it's because my friends' houseboat burned down the day before one of them gave me their copy, and the book is one of only a few items that survived. I never got past the first sentence of the novel, as it seemed oddly appropriate, for both the situations, and I couldn't stop laughing.
"...laughing and crying. You know, it's the same release..."
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I liked it.
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Greg Bernhardt said:
So he survives! Great, thanks!
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Saw it yesterday! really great film! Thoroughly enjoyed it.
However 1 small issue.
Matt Damon's character should've been named Marvin!
However 1 small issue.
Matt Damon's character should've been named Marvin!
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Overall I quite liked it. I think the *small* changes they made to the book cheapened the story, but that's Hollywood for you.
Overall probably my favorite outer space movie yet!
Overall probably my favorite outer space movie yet!
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OmCheeto said:
You didn't show up to the theater with your old "Jaws 3-D" anaglyph glasses from 1979 you've been holding onto for such an occasion, did you?
I saw it yesterday. Loved it. Would recommend seeing it in 3D with the rest of the Roy Orbison clones. The panning landscape shots of the Mars terrain in 3D looks real neato!
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Here comes the big question though: is it actually possible?
These people made Gravity look like child's play. Walk upto NASA in this movie and say "we have a astronaut stuck in orbit " and they will bring her back before you have the complimentary muffin. :P
These people made Gravity look like child's play. Walk upto NASA in this movie and say "we have a astronaut stuck in orbit " and they will bring her back before you have the complimentary muffin. :P
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Going to see it tonight!
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Bring back some popcorn to share !Greg Bernhardt said:
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I saw the film a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed it. As usual there are a few holes in the science from time to time but, otherwise it was really good.
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Greg Bernhardt said:
No followup? Were you that disappointed?
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meBigGuy said:
Due to a freak dust storm, Greg will be temporarily delayed. For a year and a half.
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I heard on the radio yesterday morning that a lot of new movies coming out are not doing too well.
After being out for 5 weeks, "The Martian" is still #1. [ref]
Yay!
After being out for 5 weeks, "The Martian" is still #1. [ref]
Yay!
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Given it's still current popularity, and the fact that I still haven't read the book, I'll not weigh in with my theory on "the holes". 
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I finally saw it. It was everything I was hoping it wouldn't be.
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Expand, please (preferably w/o spoilers)Bandersnatch said:
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The film is superficial and badly dumbed down. This is especially jarring when you consider what made the book it's based on so much fun.
Like most science fiction, the book has a simple story arc and shallow, two-dimensional characters, in service of presenting an idea - that of using one's brains to get out of sticky situations. It is all about letting your inner engineer out, about problem solving using relatively basic knowledge and back-of-an-envelope calculations.
In the film, nearly all of that is gutted. Rather than a story about human resourcefulness, it is a story about the magical science people and their incomprehensible ways. Most of the reasoning goes off-stage, and we're only presented with conclusions. Furthermore, these conclusions tend to be presented in the worst possible way - you've got characters explaining them to other, highly qualified and educated characters using ham-fisted analogies.
Everything is telegraphed to the audience in the simplest possible ways. You don't get people talking like they are among their coworkers, but like they explaining their job to little children.
There's one scene in particular that had me roll my eyes - an astrodynamicist sits with his laptop hooked up directly to the mainframe of a supercomputer, and the laptop displays a huge message 'calculations correct'. Oh, really? That's what the supercomputer actually told you? And you couldn't check it from your office?
This ties well to the discussion in the recent insight posted by mfb - rather than show how the science and engineering 'actually' works, trusting the audience's intelligence to follow and enjoy the ride (like the book did), the film obscures the whole process, basically calls the viewers too dumb to follow, and cementing the divide.Then you've got all the characters from the book show up in the film - but due to time and form constraints, their already shallow personae are even more simplified, to the point where you're just witnessing a string of cameos with little to say, or reason to be there.
So you end up with a film that doesn't have the book's gimmick, character drama, or proper story, and consists of MacGuyver making bombs out of shoelaces, scientists waving their magic computers and spelling the obvious to each other, and pretty visuals peppered with cheap American-centric pathos.
Like most science fiction, the book has a simple story arc and shallow, two-dimensional characters, in service of presenting an idea - that of using one's brains to get out of sticky situations. It is all about letting your inner engineer out, about problem solving using relatively basic knowledge and back-of-an-envelope calculations.
In the film, nearly all of that is gutted. Rather than a story about human resourcefulness, it is a story about the magical science people and their incomprehensible ways. Most of the reasoning goes off-stage, and we're only presented with conclusions. Furthermore, these conclusions tend to be presented in the worst possible way - you've got characters explaining them to other, highly qualified and educated characters using ham-fisted analogies.
Everything is telegraphed to the audience in the simplest possible ways. You don't get people talking like they are among their coworkers, but like they explaining their job to little children.
There's one scene in particular that had me roll my eyes - an astrodynamicist sits with his laptop hooked up directly to the mainframe of a supercomputer, and the laptop displays a huge message 'calculations correct'. Oh, really? That's what the supercomputer actually told you? And you couldn't check it from your office?
This ties well to the discussion in the recent insight posted by mfb - rather than show how the science and engineering 'actually' works, trusting the audience's intelligence to follow and enjoy the ride (like the book did), the film obscures the whole process, basically calls the viewers too dumb to follow, and cementing the divide.Then you've got all the characters from the book show up in the film - but due to time and form constraints, their already shallow personae are even more simplified, to the point where you're just witnessing a string of cameos with little to say, or reason to be there.
So you end up with a film that doesn't have the book's gimmick, character drama, or proper story, and consists of MacGuyver making bombs out of shoelaces, scientists waving their magic computers and spelling the obvious to each other, and pretty visuals peppered with cheap American-centric pathos.
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Yikes. Thanks.
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Bandersnatch said:
But it does it all so well!
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I'm sure. Let's hear it for low standards.Drakkith said:
Actually, I've got no room to talk. I watch a lot of action movies that are SUCH junk.
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But it's such delicious junk! Good for the soul and tattered, frayed, worn-out nerves!
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Glad I didn't read the book first. 
ps. Just now started reading the book.
ps. Just now started reading the book.
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Just finished the book. 10 stars out of 10.OmCheeto said:Glad I didn't read the book first.
ps. Just now started reading the book.
Now I have to go see the movie again.
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Well, surviving was good, using crap for fertilizer...interesting. Farmer's have had that one down...forever. Intrigued, definitely; having access to other specialties ie: notebooks others left behind and finally actual communication. It was fairly well thought out, that said I am certain if it had been me I would have died in my own crap :)
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OmCheeto said:YES!
The problem is, should I read the book first?
My friend gave me her copy of the book this last Monday.
She'd been meaning to loan it to me for months.
Noooooooo! Don't read it before watching movie! Book is better but movie is also worth seeing :) So watch and then read, so you can enjoy both :)
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Been a while since I read the book, and am just now watching the movie again, so some questions.
First: Why were the suits RED? I've done SAR work in the Navy and I'd have made the suits green or blue so they stand out against the back ground.
Second: He carefully saves the live plants when he harvests the potatoes. What would he do with those?
Third: He counts the potatoes to determine his supply. That's dumb. He should have weighed the trays and figured out how many grams of potato he could have for each ration.
Lastth: The evacuees would have left vitamin supplements behind, so he had "300 days" of vitamins as well as food. But he has scurvy at the end. Why?
First: Why were the suits RED? I've done SAR work in the Navy and I'd have made the suits green or blue so they stand out against the back ground.
Second: He carefully saves the live plants when he harvests the potatoes. What would he do with those?
Third: He counts the potatoes to determine his supply. That's dumb. He should have weighed the trays and figured out how many grams of potato he could have for each ration.
Lastth: The evacuees would have left vitamin supplements behind, so he had "300 days" of vitamins as well as food. But he has scurvy at the end. Why?
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AltHist for The Martian:
2073 CE: The first international historical mission to Mars lands near the Ares III HAB, which had been declared off limits by the Tellurian Space Agency at the request of Mark Watney's parents. They find that, as satellite pictures have shown and nobody can explain, the HAB is completely free of dust. As the team approaches they notice a vague shimmer in the air around the HAB. They stop just before touching it and start to debate what to do next. One of the team, a Watney himself, kills the arguments by just walking through the haze. His suit immediately reports Earth-like atmosphere inside. They move quickly to the HAB and enter through an airlock with both doors open.
Inside, floating in a large ball of silvery-gold liquid, Mark Watney can be seen, looking very fit but asleep. One of the academics touches the ball and a voice is heard in everyone's head, and in the language of the person hearing it.
"Here's your astronaut, safe and sound. Try to take better care of them in the future.
"And please listen to Mark when he wakes, he has so much to tell you.
"We'll be seeing you soon."
2073 CE: The first international historical mission to Mars lands near the Ares III HAB, which had been declared off limits by the Tellurian Space Agency at the request of Mark Watney's parents. They find that, as satellite pictures have shown and nobody can explain, the HAB is completely free of dust. As the team approaches they notice a vague shimmer in the air around the HAB. They stop just before touching it and start to debate what to do next. One of the team, a Watney himself, kills the arguments by just walking through the haze. His suit immediately reports Earth-like atmosphere inside. They move quickly to the HAB and enter through an airlock with both doors open.
Inside, floating in a large ball of silvery-gold liquid, Mark Watney can be seen, looking very fit but asleep. One of the academics touches the ball and a voice is heard in everyone's head, and in the language of the person hearing it.
"Here's your astronaut, safe and sound. Try to take better care of them in the future.
"And please listen to Mark when he wakes, he has so much to tell you.
"We'll be seeing you soon."