The theoretical max. speed in deep space

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The discussion centers on the theoretical limits of speed in deep space, specifically regarding the speed of light. While there is no friction in space, and momentum can be continuously added to a spacecraft, it is clarified that it can never actually reach the speed of light (c). The conversation highlights the distinction between momentum and energy, emphasizing that as speed increases, the required force to continue accelerating also increases significantly. Additionally, the difference in required impulse for acceleration at higher speeds is noted, reinforcing that accelerating from higher speeds demands more effort than from lower speeds. Ultimately, while speeds can increase indefinitely, they will always remain below the speed of light.
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Hello,

Isn't the theoretical max. speed in deep space unlimited? There is no friction. Therefore, any energy we add to the spacecraft will increase its speed. So can't the speed of light be reached?

Thanks.
 
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Hello Faux Carnival! :smile:
Faux Carnival said:
Isn't the theoretical max. speed in deep space unlimited? There is no friction. Therefore, any energy we add to the spacecraft will increase its speed. So can't the speed of light be reached?

(hmm … i thought pf had an faq on this, but i can't find it :confused:)

first, we add momentum, not energy (force times time = change in momentum) :wink:

second, yes we can keep adding momentum, and the speed will keep increasing :smile:, but it will never quite reach c :redface:

(momentum = mv/√(1 - v2/c2) -> ∞ as v -> c)
 
tiny-tim said:
Hello Faux Carnival! :smile:


(hmm … i thought pf had an faq on this, but i can't find it :confused:)

first, we add momentum, not energy (force times time = change in momentum) :wink:

second, yes we can keep adding momentum, and the speed will keep increasing :smile:, but it will never quite reach c :redface:

(momentum = mv/√(1 - v2/c2) -> ∞ as v -> c)


Thanks for your reply. I was thinking of kinetic energy. They seem to be the same thing anyway.

But my thinking is not flawed, right? In space, accelerating from 30,000 to 31,000 km/h is the same thing as accelerating from 50,000 to 51,000 km/h?
 
Faux Carnival said:
In space, accelerating from 30,000 to 31,000 km/h is the same thing as accelerating from 50,000 to 51,000 km/h?

Nope!

The latter involves slightly more change in momentum … mv/√(1 - v2/c2) … than the former.

And so the latter takes slightly more force (technically, impulse) than the former.

And the closer you get to the speed of light, the greater the difference! :smile:
 
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