Thermodynamics-T& P & v relationship

In summary, the conversation is discussing the specific volume of saturated water vapor at 300 kPa and 133.52oC. The question is why the specific volume is much larger than the theoretical one, and why the temperature remains constant at the saturated temperature regardless of the specific volume. The conversation concludes that this is because the mixture of liquid and vapor at equilibrium has an average specific volume between that of saturated liquid and saturated vapor. When transitioning from state 1 to state 2, all remaining liquid evaporates while the temperature and pressure remain constant.
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Why is the temperature of the first state is 133.52oC?

If at 300kPa & 133.52oC, from the ‘Saturated water—Pressure table’, it would give vf=0.001073m3/kg, far different from the specific volume as stated in the question which is 0.5m3/kg. Why don’t we need to consider the specific volume v1 in this question?

If mass, temperature and pressure are all stated the same, is it reasonable that the specific volume is much larger than the theoretical one?

Thank you very much!
 
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What is the specific volume of saturated water vapor at 300 kPa?
 
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vf:0.001073 vg:0.60582
do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
 
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yecko said:
vf:0.001073 vg:0.60582
I asked the question to provide a hint for solving your problem. Apparently, you didn't get the hint. Think about it.
 
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do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
 
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yecko said:
do you mean it is a mixture of liquid and vapor?
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
Yes. That's what I mean. The 0.5 is the weighted average of the vapor and liquid specific volumes.
 
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but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
as for v=0.5, isn't that should increase the temperature first before all molecules achieving sat. temp., then have latent heat change in state 2 for the liquid part change to gas state?
what i mean is that isn't the state 1 temp should be lower than 133.5oC, then it achieve 133.5oC only in state 2?
thanks
 
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yecko said:
but why is the temperature just equal to the sat. temp. @300kPa, regardless the specific vol.?
as for v=0.5, isn't that should increase the temperature first before all molecules achieving sat. temp., then have latent heat change in state 2 for the liquid part change to gas state?
what i mean is that isn't the state 1 temp should be lower than 133.5oC, then it achieve 133.5oC only in state 2?
thanks
If the liquid is saturated, at equilibrium, the vapor must be saturated too. In this system, the average specific volume of the mixture of liquid and vapor is somewhere between that of saturated liquid and saturated vapor. This means that part of the water is saturated liquid and part of the water is saturated vapor.

In going from state 1 to state 2, all the remaining liquid evaporates, and the temperature and pressure remain constant.
 

Related to Thermodynamics-T& P & v relationship

1. What is the relationship between temperature, pressure, and volume in thermodynamics?

In thermodynamics, the relationship between temperature (T), pressure (P), and volume (V) is described by the ideal gas law, which states that T*P*V = constant. This means that as one of these variables changes, the others will also change in a predictable way.

2. How does the T-P-V relationship affect the behavior of gases?

The T-P-V relationship is important in understanding the behavior of gases, as it helps us predict how changes in one variable will affect the others. For example, if we increase the temperature of a gas, the pressure and volume will also increase, and vice versa.

3. What is the significance of the T-P-V relationship in thermodynamics?

The T-P-V relationship is a fundamental concept in thermodynamics, as it helps us understand the behavior of gases and the principles of energy transfer. It is also used in various practical applications, such as in the design of engines and refrigeration systems.

4. How is the T-P-V relationship affected by changes in the state of a gas?

The T-P-V relationship is affected by changes in the state of a gas, such as changes in temperature, pressure, or volume. For example, if we change the state of a gas from a gas to a liquid, the temperature, pressure, and volume will all change according to the T-P-V relationship.

5. How does the T-P-V relationship differ for ideal gases and real gases?

The T-P-V relationship is based on the ideal gas law, which assumes that gases behave ideally under all conditions. In reality, however, most gases deviate from ideal behavior at high pressures and low temperatures. This means that for real gases, the T-P-V relationship will not always hold true and may require additional corrections to accurately predict the behavior of the gas.

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