Thermodynamics - This time it really is adiabatic

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The discussion revolves around solving an adiabatic process problem involving 14 grams of nitrogen gas compressed from 1 atmosphere to 20 atmospheres. The initial temperature is set at 20 degrees Celsius, and the participant is calculating the final temperature and work done on the gas using thermodynamic equations. They express confusion regarding the volume calculations and the use of units, noting discrepancies when using Pascals versus atmospheres. The participant concludes that the change in heat should be zero due to the adiabatic nature of the process but questions the implications of adiabatic cooling. Overall, the focus is on understanding the thermodynamic principles and calculations involved in the problem.
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Homework Statement



14 grams of Nitrogen at 20 degrees Celsius in 1 atmosphere of pressure is compressed to a pressure of 20 atmospheres. What is its final temperature and what is the work done on the gas if the process is adiabatic? Obtain the compression ratio (i.e. Vmax/Vmin). How much heat comes in or leaves the gas? What is the ratio of Pmax/Pmin? Show this change on a P-V graph.

Homework Equations



PV = NkT

PinitialVinitial\gamma = PfinalVfinal\gamma

VinitialTinitial3/2 = VfinalTfinal3/2

W = -[((PinitialVinitial\gamma)/(1-\gamma))(Vfinal(1-\gamma) - Vinitial(1-\gamma))

The Attempt at a Solution



14 grams of Nitrogen = 1 atom

Tinitial = 20 degrees Celsius = 293 Kelvin

Tfinal = ?

Pinitial = 1 atm = 1.013 * 105 Pa (1 Pa = 1 N/m2)

~

PinitialVinitial = NkTinitial

(1.013 * 105 N/m2)Vinitial = 1(1.381 * 10-23 Nm/K)(293K)

Vinitial \approx 4 * 10-26

~

PinitialVinitial\gamma = PfinalVfinal\gamma

(1.013 * 105 N/m2)(4 * 10-26) = (20 atm)(1.013 * 105 N/m2)Vfinal\gamma

Vfinal = (4 * 10-26 m3) \sqrt[5]{[1.013 * 10<sup>5</sup> N/m<sup>2</sup>) / ((20 atm)(1.013 * 10<sup>5</sup> N/m<sup>2</sup>))]<sup>3</sup>}

where \gamma = 5/3

Vfinal \approx 6.6 * 10-29 m3

Okay... I'm not done yet, but I am going to submit this to check out how my latex reference skills are working out. This is tedious.
 
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Oh holy crap, it is a disaster... well, the important parts can be made out. it would be nice to have a little chalk board we could draw on. Maybe I'll continue the problem after a while.. that is enough for now. Hopefully I will get better and faster at inputting this stuff.
 
I thought of a comment... under the fifth-root-radical it is suppose to be (# of Pascals in an atmosphere)/(20 atmospheres)(# of Pascals in an atmosphere) all cubed... because it is Pinitial / Pfinal. I did it with the Pascals because that helps me to work with my units. I think it should be the same outcome if I just use atmospheres because it seems like the # of Pascals in an atmosphere would cancel out anyway. Maybe I am putting in the calculator wrong, but I get different values when I do it with Pascals or atmospheres. It is a difference of like two orders of magnitude. That is turning out the be the most troublesome part of this problem for me. If anyone could figure out what Vfinal should be, that would be nice. :smile:
 
I went with 6.6*10-27 instead of 10-29 because the latter made way to much of a temperature increase. Other than that, I think I can move on from this point. I ended up getting that the change in heat coming in or leaving the system was zero. Does that make sense? I mean, it is adiabatic, so the change in heat has to be zero during the process, but there is adiabatic cooling. Should I worry about that here?
 
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