Time derivative of Hubble parameter

In summary, the conversation discussed the calculation of the time derivative of the Hubble parameter in equation [1], with suggestions of using the Leibnitz rule or the chain rule. It also touched on the misleading equations on the linked page, emphasizing the importance of considering the cosmological constant and its effects on the derivative of H. The concept of "accelerated expansion" was also clarified as the leveling out of H to a small positive value, resulting in exponential growth.
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Is rather a question of calculus skills, but how do I get the time derivative of the Hubble parameter here in [1]? Is it the Leibnitz rule, the chain rule, some clever re-arrangement?


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Is rather a question of calculus skills, but how do I get the time derivative of the Hubble parameter here in [1]? Is it the Leibnitz rule, the chain rule, some clever re-arrangement?thank you

equation [1] is a straightforward application of the definition of H(t) = a'/a
and the Leibnitz rule
or I would call it the "quotient rule" for taking derivative of f(t)/g(t)

You can also think of it as the "product rule" applied to the two functions f(t) and (1/g(t))

Notice that (1/a)' = (-a'/a2) (I guess you could call that an application of "chain rule")

so you just make a simple application of product rule to H(t) = a' * (1/a)

and you get a'' * (1/a) + a' * (-a'/a2) = a''/a - (a'/a)2

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Be careful there is something misleading in the last 4 or 5 equations on that page you linked to!

In the standard cosmological model the derivative of H is always negative.

That page is a bit inconsistent because it introduces the Friedman equations WITH LAMBDA THE COSMOLOGICAL CONSTANT, so there should be no "dark energy component" in the energy density rho, and the pressure p.

rho and p are just positive terms like you would expect, nothing tricky.

So he actually shows that the derivative of H is NEGATIVE because it is proportional to
-(rho + p), which is negative.

And this is correct, according to standard model (where you have a cosmological constant).

As matter thins out, rho + p goes to zero,

so the derivative of H, which is negative, goes to zero. So H declines slower and slower and levels out to a constant positive percentage growth rate H in the limit.

This is what is meant by "accelerated expansion" (H declining to a positive limiting value) because growth at a constant percentage rate is, of course, EXPONENTIAL growth. So if you watch a particular distance grow, it goes like money in the bank at a constant percentage rate of interest.

"Acceleration" does not mean that H(t) should increase. In the standard model with cosmo constant Lambda, it just means that the DECLINE of H(t) is leveling out to a small positive value so we get exponential growth.

Currently H is about 1/144 of a percent per million years, and the expected H limit is 1/173 of a percent per million years.
 
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FAQ: Time derivative of Hubble parameter

What is the time derivative of the Hubble parameter?

The time derivative of the Hubble parameter, also known as the Hubble rate, is a measure of the rate at which the expansion of the universe is changing. It is often denoted as H-dot (Ḣ) and has units of 1/time, such as 1/second or 1/year.

How is the time derivative of the Hubble parameter calculated?

The time derivative of the Hubble parameter is calculated by taking the derivative of the Hubble parameter with respect to time. This can be done using calculus and can also be approximated using observational data.

What is the significance of the time derivative of the Hubble parameter?

The time derivative of the Hubble parameter is significant because it helps us understand the rate at which the universe is expanding. By studying this rate, scientists can gain insights into the evolution and future of the universe.

How does the time derivative of the Hubble parameter relate to the age of the universe?

The time derivative of the Hubble parameter, along with the current value of the Hubble parameter, can be used to estimate the age of the universe. This is done by using the inverse of the Hubble parameter, known as the Hubble time, which represents the age of the universe at the current expansion rate.

Can the time derivative of the Hubble parameter change over time?

Yes, the time derivative of the Hubble parameter can change over time as the expansion rate of the universe can vary. This is due to various factors such as the amount of matter and energy in the universe, which can affect the rate of expansion. Scientists continue to study and refine our understanding of the time derivative of the Hubble parameter and its changes over time.

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