Time Derivative of ln: Solving $\frac{d}{dx} ln x$

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The discussion focuses on finding the time derivative of the expression ln((ct + √(c²t² - s²))/s). The initial attempt correctly applies the chain rule and logarithmic properties, leading to a derivative expression involving terms from the original function. However, the provided answer suggests a simpler form: 1/(c√(c²t² - s²)). Participants agree that the discrepancy may stem from algebraic simplification rather than a fundamental error in the differentiation process. The conversation emphasizes the importance of simplifying expressions to match expected results.
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Homework Statement



what is the time derivative of the following expression: ln(\frac{ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2-s^2)}}{s})


Homework Equations



\frac{d}{dx} ln x = \frac{1}{x}

chain rule

log rules eg ln (x/y) = ln x - ln y

The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> ln(ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2 -s^2)})-ln s<br />

so time derivative is:

<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2-s^2)}}(\frac{1}{2}(c^2t^2-s^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}2c^2t+c)-0<br />

using the above formulae. however the answer says \frac{1}{c\sqrt{c^2t^2-s^2}}...


can anyone help?

thanks
 
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lavster said:

Homework Statement



what is the time derivative of the following expression: ln(\frac{ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2-s^2)}}{s})


Homework Equations



\frac{d}{dx} ln x = \frac{1}{x}

chain rule

log rules eg ln (x/y) = ln x - ln y

The Attempt at a Solution



<br /> ln(ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2 -s^2)})-ln s<br />

so time derivative is:

<br /> <br /> \frac{1}{ct+\sqrt{(c^2t^2-s^2)}}(\frac{1}{2}(c^2t^2-s^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}2c^2t+c)-0<br />

using the above formulae. however the answer says \frac{1}{c\sqrt{c^2t^2-s^2}}...
I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I suspect that all that you need to do is some algebraic simplification.
 
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