Torque-Free Precession in Classical & Quantum Mechanics

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In classical mechanics, an asymmetric rotating object undergoes precession, described by the equations involving angular momentum and inertia. The discussion explores whether this precession can be modeled quantum mechanically, with the initial suggestion of using a Hamiltonian based on the inertia tensor. The challenge lies in expressing the angular velocity operator in terms of position and momentum operators. A proposed Hamiltonian formulation, which incorporates the inverse of the inertia tensor, suggests that angular momentum does not commute with the Hamiltonian, leading to precession. The conversation emphasizes the interest in free precession at the quantum level, particularly in the context of molecules like white phosphorus.
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In classical mechanics, an asymmetric rotating object will generally precess. Expressed in the body-fixed normal system of the object, we have I_i \dot{\omega_i}=(\vec{L}\times \vec{\omega})_i where L_i=I_i\omega_i.

Choosing a simple example where I_1=I_2, we obtain \dot{\omega_3}=0 and, for \Omega=\frac{I_1-I_3}{I_1}\omega_3,
\dot{\omega_1}=\Omega \omega_2
\dot{\omega_2}=-\Omega \omega_1
describing the precession. Thus, \vec{\omega}(t)=(A\cos(\Omega t) , A\sin(\Omega t), \omega_3).

My question is; can this motion be described quantum mechanically?

My first guess was to write the Hamiltionian as \hat{H}=\frac12 \hat{\vec{\omega}}I\hat{\vec{\omega}} with I being the inertia tensor. The difficulty is then to describe \hat{\vec{\omega}} in terms of \hat{x},\hat{p_x} etc.

Am I going about this the wrong way?
Is there any treatment of this problem available? I tried searching, but all the treatments of precession I found were related to magnetic moment precession.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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That would still be concidered precession by an external torque, which is not what I am interested in here. Diatomic molecules don't experience free precession. I am sorry if I worded the problem poorly.

What I am interested in is the kind of precession the rotational axis of the Earth experiences, but at the quantum level. For example, a free spinning molecule of white phosphorus (tetrahedral molecule) would experience precession.
 
I see what you mean.

Try the following Hamiltonian:

\hat{H} = \frac{1}{2} \sum\limits_{ij} \hat{L}_i I^{-1}_{ij} \hat{L}_j

where I^{-1}_{ij} is the invserse of the inertia tensor. In the normal system I^{-1}_{ij} = \delta_{ij} \frac{1}{I_i}

The angular momentum operator L is well defined, and the moment of inertia can be taken as constant.

If I am not mistaken, then L does not commute with the Hamiltonian, so that you get precession.
 
Great! I'll try it.
Thank you very much! :smile:
 
Time reversal invariant Hamiltonians must satisfy ##[H,\Theta]=0## where ##\Theta## is time reversal operator. However, in some texts (for example see Many-body Quantum Theory in Condensed Matter Physics an introduction, HENRIK BRUUS and KARSTEN FLENSBERG, Corrected version: 14 January 2016, section 7.1.4) the time reversal invariant condition is introduced as ##H=H^*##. How these two conditions are identical?

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