Traceless hermitian matrices form groups?

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The discussion centers on whether the set of nxn traceless hermitian matrices forms a group under addition and multiplication. It is established that traceless means the trace equals zero, and the identity element for addition is the zero matrix, which has an inverse. The group property under addition is confirmed, while closure fails under multiplication, indicating it does not form a group in that context. The term "non-hermitian" is debated, with some arguing it should mean matrices that are definitely not hermitian, while others suggest it could mean matrices that are not necessarily hermitian. Overall, the conversation clarifies the definitions and properties related to these matrix sets.
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  1. is the set of nxn traceless hermitian matrices under addition a group?
  2. is the set of nxn traceless hermitian matrices under multiplication a group?
  3. is the set of nxn traceless non-hermitian matrices under addition a group?

question 1-I thought that traceless means trace=0 is this right? so what would the identity element be? it can't be the null matrix because it doesn't have an inverse, can anyone help? I haven't got around to the other questions but help is probably needed coz i don't like matrices
 
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I just realized in the first quesiton, the composition law is actually addition, so that makes the inverse of the identiy just putting a minus sign on all of its elements, which doesn't change the diagonal, which mean its still traceless, so it must be a group.

for the second question closure isn't satisfied , the third one I am not sure what to do...
 
non-hermitian matrices don't include the identity.
 
weejee said:
non-hermitian matrices don't include the identity.

yes of course, thanks a lot
 
Well, first of all, the identity element for addition is the matrix of all zeroes, not the identity matrix. Of course, this is also hermitian. But "non-hermitian" is often supposed to mean "not necessarily hermitian" rather than "definitely not hermitian". The answer depends on which meaning is implied.
 
Avodyne said:
Well, first of all, the identity element for addition is the matrix of all zeroes, not the identity matrix. Of course, this is also hermitian.

That was what I meant.

Avodyne said:
But "non-hermitian" is often supposed to mean "not necessarily hermitian" rather than "definitely not hermitian". The answer depends on which meaning is implied.

"Not necessarily hermitian" just means all matrices. Then, there is no point in using such term.

To me it seems safe to consider "non-hermitian" as "definitely not hermitian".
 
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