UFO News: Japan's Extraterrestrial Activity

[Ivan Seeking]

Thanks. I'll add it to the UFO Napster as well.

 

[Mammo]

Ivan Seeking;

I personally believe that there could be two main reasons for the genuine UFO phenomena. One is the obvious 'saucer' shaped craft, which are either extraterrestrial or man-made whilst the other is something more down-to-earth. There is substantial evidence of 'things with wings' in the cryptozoological world. It is not beyond the bounds of reasoning to suggest that a large unknown night-flying (i.e. wing flapping) creature has developed bioluminescence. If small creatures that live at the bottom of the sea can do it, so can big things that fly in the dark. Have you ever heard of anyone with this opinion?

 

[CEL]

Ivan Seeking;

I personally believe that there could be two main reasons for the genuine UFO phenomena. One is the obvious 'saucer' shaped craft, which are either extraterrestrial or man-made whilst the other is something more down-to-earth. There is substantial evidence of 'things with wings' in the cryptozoological world. It is not beyond the bounds of reasoning to suggest that a large unknown night-flying (i.e. wing flapping) creature has developed bioluminescence. If small creatures that live at the bottom of the sea can do it, so can big things that fly in the dark. Have you ever heard of anyone with this opinion?

The two options are possible and equally probable. A more likely explanation is misidentification of aircrafts, atmospheric phenomena or heavenly bodies.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The two options are possible and equally probable. A more likely explanation is misidentification of aircrafts, atmospheric phenomena or heavenly bodies.

In the most intersting cases, the problem with claiming atmospheric phenomena is this: What phenomena? As I have said before, even if we all agree that some of the most interesting reports are, say, due to ball lighitning, we still have quite a mystery. The problem is that we are creating explanations from thin air with no supporting evidence. To then accept these explanations is an act of faith, not science.

 

[Mammo]

In the most intersting cases, the problem with claiming atmospheric phenomena is this: What phenomena? As I have said before, even if we all agree that some of the most interesting reports are, say, due to ball lighitning, we still have quite a mystery. The problem is that we are creating explanations from thin air with no supporting evidence. To then accept these explanations is an act of faith, not science.

I agree with this. Even claims of 'earth lights' after earthquake events are total speculation. At least ball lightning has been replicated in the lab. I even believe that the 'things with wings' explanation is better than mystery Earth generated lighting effects. There was a TV programme (Monster Hunter?) where a team of investigators went to Umboi Island to film the 'pterosaur-like' creature reported by the natives. They got mystery lights recorded in the pitch dark on camera, although they couldn't see anything with the naked eye, but they definitely got the heeby-geebies.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Even claims of 'earth lights' after earthquake events are total speculation. At least ball lightning has been replicated in the lab.

Not entirely correct. Earthquake lights are now generally accepted as a genuine phenomenon, as is ball lightning. The "ball lightning" produced in labs so far only vaguely resembles the phenomenon reported. For example, in the lab, a sustained energy source in the form of microwaves is required.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Is there a link to scientific Earthlight investigation?

There are plenty of links in the Credible Anomalies Napster
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=58374

Please continue discussions in a regular thread. This thread is for UFO news.

 

[pftest]

The MOD releases more ufo files:

Other cases include the description of a black inverted boomerang-shaped UFO by two experienced air traffic controllers at Heathrow. The sighting, from the airport's control tower on the morning of 17 December 1992, came a week after numerous witnesses in Louth, Lincolnshire, reported seeing three lights attached to a large, triangular craft.

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The most intriguing incident involving such a craft occurred at 9pm on 4 August 1990, at Calvine, a remote hamlet near Pitlochry in Scotland. According to the brief details released by the MoD, witnesses saw a diamond-shaped UFO hovering for about 10 minutes before it disappeared upwards at high speed. During the incident, Harrier jump jets were seen making a number of low-level passes. Colour photographs reveal both the UFO and at least one of the jets.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/22/ufos-aliens-di55-mod

I wonder if the pics of the diamond ufo are online somewhere.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

This story is breaking as if a credible report. It is a bit hard to tell at this point so I am posting for tracking purposes. If anyone has good information supporting or debunking this report, please post it.

Scientists at the Purple Mountain Observatory in Nanjing are reported to have confirmed that they filmed a UFO during the eclipse for 40 minutes. They say that they will spend the next 12 months studying the footage before drawing any conclusions...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ese-scientists-filmed-UFO-for-40-minutes.html

There are so many bogus internet news sources these days that it is getting harder and harder to pick out any potentially credible reports.

 

[Garth]

This story is breaking as if a credible report. It is a bit hard to tell at this point so I am posting for tracking purposes. If anyone has good information supporting or debunking this report, please post it.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ese-scientists-filmed-UFO-for-40-minutes.html

There are so many bogus internet news sources these days that it is getting harder and harder to pick out any potentially credible reports.

The Telgraph is a conservative paper in the UK - its report ought to be accurate, that says nothing, of course, about the nature of the observations at the Purple Mountain observatory.

Garth

 

[Chronos]

After so many years of credible reports, I do not see how all of them can be dismissed as illusions or delusions. I resist the alien visitation hypothesis. I am, however, curious if transient dimensional rifts are a plausible explanation. It would also explain other paranormal events. Who knows, perhaps it is alien technology attempting to communicate with us.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

The Telgraph is a conservative paper in the UK - its report ought to be accurate, that says nothing, of course, about the nature of the observations at the Purple Mountain observatory.

Garth

I was referring to the number of Google hits I get every day from crackpot sources. When I first started using it, the biggest problem with the Google alerts was that I was notified about everything the rock group UFO was doing, but now there are probably dozens of pseudo news services putting out tons of garbage.

 

[kpax]

I'm pretty excited to see "I Know What I Saw" airing October 4 on the History Channel. It will feature the most credible UFO cases and witnesses from around the world.

Here's the trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/5Etw33HrvPU&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/5Etw33HrvPU&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Here's a promotional segment from Larry King Live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/3D1n-RMuxr0&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3D1n-RMuxr0&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Out of the Blue was pretty good. The Peter Jenning's special was accurate, AFAIK, but had no depth. The UFO hunters shows are mostly garbage and the guy who runs them is a complete nut, imo. He is the classic UFO crackpot who sees conspiracies and intervening aliens behind every shadow.

We do have some good documentaries cited in the UFO Napster, but many links are dead. Optional links can be found with a search in most cases.

Thanks for the alert, KPax. I will certainly watch. But as Dave said, these days, most shows about this subject are hyped, sloppy, and sometimes downright dishonest. Perhaps this one will be better.

An aside: Recently I happened to watch Close Encounters. While watching, I suddenly noticed a brief close-up of Hynek. I couldn't believe that after all of these years I never knew he was actually in the movie. Funny!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

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