Ultrafilter Richness: Explore Options Beyond AC

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The discussion centers on the limitations and possibilities of ultrafilters, particularly in relation to the axiom of choice (AC). Two primary types of ultrafilters are identified: principal ultrafilters, derived from singletons, and non-principal ultrafilters that include cofinite filters. The conversation questions the depth of these options, suggesting that to explore more complex structures, one might need to abandon AC or redefine the properties of ultrafilters. The potential for non-principal ultrafilters to include richer objects, beyond just finite complements, is acknowledged as a promising avenue. Overall, the participants seek to understand the conceptual boundaries of ultrafilters before committing to extensive research.
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Hello,

With the axiom of choice, we are left with two options for ultrafilters:
a) principal ultrafilters, built from a singleton {x}.
b) nonpricipal filters of which all contain the cofinite filter, ergo complements of finite sets subalgebras.

Isn't this kind of flimsy? To get to more exotic/exciting objects does one:
give up AC
or
gives up the ultra in ultafilter (the A or X\A is in F condition)?
 
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Why flimsy? For example, using an ultrafilter construction and without abandoning AC, you end up with measurable cardinals, which can do all sorts of interesting things. What sort of "exotic" objects did you have in mind?
 
I meant more exotic than the principal ultrafilters and complements of finite set subalgebras.

I realized last evening that non-principal ultrafilters may also contain objects with complements greater than finite sets. So there may be some richness right there.

I just wanted to get a good feel of the conceptual reach/limits of ultrafilters before I sink a significant amount of work in them. Ars longa, vita brevis.
 
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