Usage of General Specific Heats Cp0 and Cv0

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the application of specific heats Cp0 and Cv0 in thermodynamic equations. It highlights the validity of these relationships, which are typically applicable at constant volume and pressure, and questions their use when pressure and volume change linearly. The participants clarify that for an ideal gas, internal energy and enthalpy are functions of temperature alone, making the equations valid despite changes in pressure and volume. Additionally, the introduction of mass between states is addressed, emphasizing the need to account for the change in mass in the equations. Overall, the discussion seeks to clarify the assumptions and derivations involved in using Cp0 and Cv0 in thermodynamic calculations.
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What conditions for usage of the general specific heats?
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u2-u1=~Cv0(T2-T1)
h2-h1=~Cp0(T2-T1)
Cv=du/DT at constant volume
Cp=dh/dT at constant Pressure
Q-W=me*he-mi*hi+m2*u
1. I am rather confused about the usage of Cp0 and Cv0 in the solutions to the question below:
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In the solution to the depicted question, the solution involves setting up the equation as follows:
Q-W=me*he-mi*hi+m2*ue-m1*u1
-W=-mi*Cp*Ti+m2CvT2-m1CvT1
I don't follow for the second step. How can the transformation of hi, u1, and u2 be valid? I thought the relation between Cp0 and Cv0 only held over an interval due to the nature of the derivation of the equations:
Cv=δu/δT at constant volume => ∫Cvδu=∫δT => u2-u1=~Cv0(T2-T1)
Cp=δh/δT at constant Pressure = ∫Cvδu=∫δT => h2-h1=~Cp0(T2-T1)2. Additionally, what are the conditions for the usage of these equations?
u2-u1=~Cv0(T2-T1)
h2-h1=~Cp0(T2-T1)
I thought they were only valid at constant volume and pressure? In the case above, the pressure/volume changes linearly, are the relations still valid then?
Lastly, mass is also added between states 1 and 2, in the case above. I understand the equation relates specific terms, per unit mass, but does this addition of mass pose a problem?
 
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messier992 said:
1. I am rather confused about the usage of Cp0 and Cv0 in the solutions to the question below:
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In the solution to the depicted question, the solution involves setting up the equation as follows:
Q-W=me*he-mi*hi+m2*ue-m1*u1
-W=-mi*Cp*Ti+m2CvT2-m1CvT1
I don't follow for the second step. How can the transformation of hi, u1, and u2 be valid? I thought the relation between Cp0 and Cv0 only held over an interval due to the nature of the derivation of the equations:
Cv=δu/δT at constant volume => ∫Cvδu=∫δT => u2-u1=~Cv0(T2-T1)
Cp=δh/δT at constant Pressure = ∫Cvδu=∫δT => h2-h1=~Cp0(T2-T1)
The assumption is made that, over the temperature range of interest, the heat capacities are constant. If the answer had employed a reference temperature other than absolute zero (say, 27 C, for example), the 2nd equation would have come out the same in the end, but the derivation would have been much more acceptable to you

2. Additionally, what are the conditions for the usage of these equations?
u2-u1=~Cv0(T2-T1)
h2-h1=~Cp0(T2-T1)
I thought they were only valid at constant volume and pressure? In the case above, the pressure/volume changes linearly, are the relations still valid then?
For the special case of an ideal gas, the thermodynamic state functions u and h are functions only of temperature, independent of pressure and volume, so it doesn't matter if the pressure and volume changed.
Lastly, mass is also added between states 1 and 2, in the case above. I understand the equation relates specific terms, per unit mass, but does this addition of mass pose a problem?
Well, you need to determine the change in mass ##m_i=m_2-m_1##, so you would write $$m_2=m_1+m_i$$
 
Thanks for the reply! I am still confused about how hi can transform into Cp*Ti. I know there is a relationship between Δh = Cp(ΔT), but do not know if there is one for h=CpT. Or are there more complicated immediate steps in between the aforementioned Steps 1 & 2 that were not in the solution?
 
messier992 said:
Thanks for the reply! I am still confused about how hi can transform into Cp*Ti. I know there is a relationship between Δh = Cp(ΔT), but do not know if there is one for h=CpT. Or are there more complicated immediate steps in between the aforementioned Steps 1 & 2 that were not in the solution?
If we let ##T_R## represent some arbitrary datum absolute temperature at which the internal energy per unit mass is ##u_R##, then in the open system (control volume) version of the 1 st law applied to this problem, then we would write $$u=u_R+C_{v0}(T-T_R)$$ and $$h=u+Pv=u+RT=u_R+C_{v0}(T-T_R)+RT=C_{p0}(T-T_R)+u_R+RT_R$$The energy balance would be written as:$$m_2u_2-m_1u_1=m_ih_i+Q-W$$If we then substitute the equations for u and h in terms of the reference temperature ##T_R##, we obtain:$$m_2C_{v0}T_2-m_1C_{v0}T_1+(m_2-m_1)(u_R-C_{v0}T_R)=m_iC_{p0}T_i+m_i(u_R-C_{p0}T_R+RT_R)+Q-W$$But, since ##m_2-m_1=m_i##, the terms involving the reference state temperature ##T_R## and reference state internal energy ##u_R## drop out, and we are left with:$$m_2C_{v0}T_2-m_1C_{v0}T_1=m_iC_{p0}T_i+Q-W$$
 
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