Use Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the H atom

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The discussion revolves around using the Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the hydrogen atom and calculate the maximum momentum of an electron within it. The maximum kinetic energy of the electron is identified as 13.6 eV, leading to a calculated maximum momentum of approximately 2E-24 Ns. The participant estimates the size of the hydrogen atom using the Uncertainty Principle, resulting in a value of 5.28E-11 m, but notes the correct answer is 2.6E-11 m. Confusion arises regarding the equation used, with clarification that the correct form includes a factor of 1/2, leading to the conclusion that the participant's derivation is fundamentally correct. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately applying the Uncertainty Principle in physics calculations.
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Homework Statement



In Bohr model of the hydrogen atom, the max. kinetic energy that an electron can have is around 13.6 eV, as it would otherwise not be confined to the atom.

Uncertainty Principle: ΔxΔy ≥ h/2π

a) Find the max. momentum of such confined electron.
b) Use Uncertainty Principle to estimate the size of the H atom.

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The Attempt at a Solution



for part a)
13.6 (eV) ≈ 2.18E-18 (J)

use E = 0.5 m v^2

i found v ≈ 2.2E6 (m/s)

use p = mv

i found the max. momentum of the e- is 2E-24 (Ns)

for part b)

i knew the max. energy the the e- can have is 13.6 eV,
therefore it can have energy from 0 - 13.6 eV,
therefore Δp = 2E-24
use the Uncertainty Principle,

Δx = \frac{h}{2πΔp}

and i put all the number in, and found
Δx = 5.28E-11

however the correct answer is 2.6E-11

i don't know why i need to divide the Δx by half to get the answer.
 
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But my past exam paper said the equation is ΔxΔy ≥ h/2pi ...
 
samsun2024 said:
But my past exam paper said the equation is ΔxΔy ≥ h/2pi ...

Well, there is some confusion in using the uncertainty principle.

ehild
 
so, is the way that i am doing correct?
cos i have done few past exam papers and all of them have one question about uncertainty principle...
 
I think your derivation is correct.

ehild
 
my worry are gone now, thanks a lot =]
 
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