Vertically launched rocket problem with integration

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The discussion focuses on deriving the height of a vertically launched rocket as a function of time under constant gravitational acceleration. The key equation provided is m * dv/dt = -dm/dt * u - mg, which leads to the height function y(t) = u*t - 1/2*g*t^2 - u*t*ln(M/m). A participant struggles to include the u*t term in their derived equation, resulting in y(t) = -1/2*g*t^2 - u*t*ln(M/m). Another contributor suggests that the integration should be performed with respect to mass rather than time, emphasizing the importance of accounting for the changing mass as fuel is consumed. The discussion highlights the need for careful integration and the use of initial conditions to solve the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement


Find the Rockets height as a function of time
It is in a constant field g. u refers to the exhaust speed and M is the initial mass.
Starts from rest. and is single stage.

Homework Equations


1) m * dv/dt= -dm/dt * u-mg

2)Show that height as t is: y(t)= u*t- 1/2*g*t^2- u*t*ln(M/m)

The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, i arrived at a function very similar to the the height but, i cannot seem to get the u*t term in the function. i get y(t)= - 1/2*g*t^2- u*t*ln(M/m)
where do i get the u*t term from? i feel like i am so close to the answer but so far away..
I integrated 1) and arrived at V(t)= u*ln(M/m)-g*t
 
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Hi, I did look at this earlier but got stuck with your first integration. It is likely there is a constant of integration you are missing so if you are still stuck and want to, please can you show me your steps to integrate 1) and then I will see if I can help?

Cheers
 
I'm pretty sure you're forgetting that mass is a function of time, so your integration of u*ln(M/m(t))*dt isn't as simple as you had hoped...

Edit:
Hint: Do the integration w.r.t. mass, and not time. The key here is that (I'm assuming) the fuel burn rate is constant, so dm/dt = -c, where c is some constant. Use that to replace dt with -dm/c. Also, don't forget to solve for the constant of integration using the initial condition m(0) = M.
 
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