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Ah, I missed that one. In the past, that ismalawi_glenn said:https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...ply-as-possible-upcoming-publication.1012544/
on topic:
I am reading - Axler: Measure, Integration & Real Analysis. It is an open source book by springer, but I decided to buy it hardcover. Pretty good, it is not easy material (for me at least) but the author is trying to be very pedagogical and structured. Colored boxes on basically every page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_PurgeWWGD said:Great terror??
Same, I skip all chapters in books that deals with this topic.MidgetDwarf said:Glad that I know that Graph Theory is something I am not interested at all
Isn't Alfhors complex analysis book considered very difficult/advanced?MidgetDwarf said:Started reading Alfhors book on Complex Analysis, but switched to Lang's book. Much prefer Lang
And you also don't eat meat and only buy used clothes...ohwilleke said:dead tree form
Thats a great thing what Sweden is doing! The proof techniques will be more beneficial for students. I feel that they should make this, and one proof based course mandatory for all undergrads. In order for them to further their tool kit and analyze the conditions of theorems they use in the science.malawi_glenn said:Same, I skip all chapters in books that deals with this topic.
I am so glad that the national school board in sweden decided to get rid of graph theory in the highest level compulusory course last year :D They replaced it with proof techniques which I think was a pretty good choiceIsn't Alfhors complex analysis book considered very difficult/advanced?
Remember I teach high school :DMidgetDwarf said:I feel that they should make this, and one proof based course mandatory for all undergrads
Hyperfine said:Three books covering the historical development of modern physical cosmology:
Malcolm S. Longair, "The Cosmic Century: A History of Astrophysics and Cosmology", Cambridge University Press, 2006.
P. J. E. Peebles, "Cosmology's Century: An Inside History of Our Modern Understanding of the Universe", Princeton University Press, 2022.
Helge Kragh and Malcolm S. Longair (Eds.), "The Oxford Handbook of the History of Modern Cosmology", Oxford University Press, 2019.
No. But I assume I should.malawi_glenn said:Have you read Narlinkar's Facts and Speculations in Cosmology?
During studying physics I attended a lot of lectures for (pure) mathematicians. First the analysis course (4 semesters, including analysis of one and multiple variables, vector analysis, ordinary differential equations, complex function theory) and linear algebra (2 semesters) were mandatory also for physics students and then simply, because I was interested. All these lectures were strictly about proving everything. How to use this abstract math, you never learnt from the mathematicians but in the physics lectures ;-). So I'm a bit puzzled about this statement: Aren't all math lectures about proving all theorems and lemmas?MidgetDwarf said:Thats a great thing what Sweden is doing! The proof techniques will be more beneficial for students. I feel that they should make this, and one proof based course mandatory for all undergrads. In order for them to further their tool kit and analyze the conditions of theorems they use in the science.
Yes, Alfhors is more advanced and difficult, but I feel that the difficulty lies in lack of examples and the brevity of the writing. Rudins undergrad book comes to mind. I would have hated Alfhors being my first exposure, but since I am familiar with the subject, I can feel in the blanks and add examples as needed.
I find Lang and even the book by Ullrich to offer more insights.
I guess engineers have a similar complaint about physics: How to use this abstract physics, you never learnt from physicists but in the engineering lectures. Similar things chemists can say about physics, biologists about chemistry, medics about biology, all scientists about statistics, and politicians about everything else. The hierarchy in different kinds of human knowledge is a blessing and a curse.vanhees71 said:How to use this abstract math, you never learnt from the mathematicians but in the physics lectures
Hope I am more clear.vanhees71 said:During studying physics I attended a lot of lectures for (pure) mathematicians. First the analysis course (4 semesters, including analysis of one and multiple variables, vector analysis, ordinary differential equations, complex function theory) and linear algebra (2 semesters) were mandatory also for physics students and then simply, because I was interested. All these lectures were strictly about proving everything. How to use this abstract math, you never learnt from the mathematicians but in the physics lectures ;-). So I'm a bit puzzled about this statement: Aren't all math lectures about proving all theorems and lemmas?
vanhees71 said:I couldn't agree more. Some formal math is important to also have a better insight on what's behind the mathematical methods used in the natural sciences. E.g., in teaching QT I learnt that many textbooks go over some important details in a pretty superficial way. E.g., there are only very few textbooks, which really explain, why there are no half-integer representations of orbital angular momentum. The answer is that the corresponding angular-momentum eigenstates lead out of the proper domain for the angular-momentum operators to be essentially self-adjoint. The usual sloppy argument that wave functions must be unique under rotations about an angle of ##2 \pi## can be made rigorous by demanding that the angular-momentum operators are the generators of rotations acting in the usual way on wave functions. Half-integer angular momenta can thus only be realized in the sense of spin and are therefore indeed a generic quantum feature without real analogue in classical physics.
vanhees71 said:I think in this respect the best textbook is
L. Ballentine, Quantum Mechanics - A modern development, Addison-Wesley
It's also constructing non-relativistic QM from a detailed analysis of the Galilei group.
I am currently reading "Max Born - Baumeister der Quantenwelt. Eine Biographie" by Nancy Thorndike Greenspan, i.e. Anita Ehlers translation of the English original "The End of The Certain World. The Life and Science of Max Born. The Nobel Physicist Who Ignited the Quantum Revolution" from 2005.vanhees71 said:Well Greenspan's biography of Born is very revealing concerning the behavior of Heisenberg!
Heisenberg was a pretty horrible person. It is true that he was not a nazi. But he was a hard line German nationalist. It is true that he didn’t like Hitler. But he did support Hitler’s war and simply believed that the nazis would be replaced by quality people after the war. He believed that the nazis could be tamed in about 50 years. Good luck with that. It is true that he was not particularly anti Jewish. But he believed that revolutions were inherently messy and the harm done to the Jewish population was an acceptable side effect of a political movement that would put Germany in it’s rightful place on the world stage. It is True that Heisenberg steered Germany away from the Bomb. But it was his honest assessment that the massive resources needed to develop the bomb would distract from the war effort and was very unlikely to produce results before the end of the war. He was probably correct.
Watch this:
[link to a video which is is “probably indefensible, once one starts to dig into details”]
Heisenberg certainly was well educated in philosophical matters, some of his students (like Grete Hermann, or Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker) later became philosophers, and his genuine philosophical contributions were not so different from later contributions by "real philosophers", see for examplevanhees71 said:I also admit that I'm not so much a fan of Heisenberg's and Bohr's writings on the foundations of quantum theory, because I don't like there overemphasis of philosophy.
I guess you mean "Born," not "Bohr". But have you actually read their "reflections on philosophy" likevanhees71 said:I like more the writings of Bohr, Jordan, Pauli and, particularly, Dirac with there more mathematical and scientific emphasis sparing out too many nebulous reflections on philosophy.
I have no idea whether German or English is easier for you when it comes to non-scientific writting. But in case reading such stuff in English is enjoyable to you, I really recommend to completely read this book (if you have not done so already). It contains many unbelievable and interesting stories, and Greenspan's handling of the unavoidable historic uncertainties is very well done.vanhees71 said:I've the English original version of Greenspan's book.
Grete Hermann was a student of Emmy Noether's and a Postdoc with Heisenberg. I know her excellent paper about von Neumann's no-hidden-variables proof, which is very good.gentzen said:Heisenberg certainly was well educated in philosophical matters, some of his students (like Grete Hermann, or Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker) later became philosophers, and his genuine philosophical contributions were not so different from later contributions by "real philosophers", see for example
http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/1614/ ("Open or Closed? Dirac, Heisenberg, and the Relation between Classical and Quantum Mechanics" by Alisa Bokulich, 2004)
Of course, I meant Born. Of course, he also wrote philosophical essays. That seems to be a disease of retired theoretical physicists ;-)).gentzen said:I guess you mean "Born," not "Bohr". But have you actually read their "reflections on philosophy" like
http://gymarkiv.sdu.dk/MFM/kdvs/mfm 30-39/mfm-30-2.pdf ("Continuity, Determinism, and Reality" by Max Born, 1955)
Yes, I've read this book completely. It's excellent!gentzen said:I have no idea whether German or English is easier for you when it comes to non-scientific writting. But in case reading such stuff in English is enjoyable to you, I really recommend to completely read this book (if you have not done so already). It contains many unbelievable and interesting stories, and Greenspan's handling of the unavoidable historic uncertainties is very well done.
You are right. And she was already a real philosopher before she joined Heisenberg.vanhees71 said:Grete Hermann was a student of Emmy Noether's and a Postdoc with Heisenberg. I know her excellent paper about von Neumann's no-hidden-variables proof, which is very good.
Yeah, CFvW is ... maybe easiest dealt with by keeping silent. Whenever new historical records emerge, and you study them in the hope to find something more definite concerning Heisenberg, you always have that risk of instead finding something definitely unfavorable concerning CFvW. And you know that Heisenberg must have known, and covered up for it. (It seems much easier to me to reproach Heisenberg that he accepted those structures in Germany that CFvW was part of and collaborated with them, then to reproach him that he would have been a Nazi or would have collaborated with them.) And CFvW's style as a philosopher is overly wordy, even so his positions seem generally fine, as far as I can tell. His physical contributions too seem fine to me, probably nothing revolutionary, but nothing to be ashamed of either.vanhees71 said:I better keep silent about what I think about CFvW ;-)).
Same here but home directory instead of desk :)Hyperfine said:Then there is P. J. E. Peebles, "Principles of Physical Cosmology". Princeton University Press, 1993 that sits on my desk as I attempt to summon the courage to pursue it.
Wow, you've a very different experience to me. Pauli wrote essays about Jungian psychology and so on and Born wrote long essays on the meaning of science and society in general.vanhees71 said:I also admit that I'm not so much a fan of Heisenberg's and Bohr's writings on the foundations of quantum theory, because I don't like there overemphasis of philosophy. I like more the writings of Bohr, Jordan, Pauli and, particularly, Dirac with there more mathematical and scientific emphasis sparing out too many nebulous reflections on philosophy.