What Is the Net Entropy Change in a Two-Step Gas Process?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net entropy change for a monatomic gas undergoing an isothermal expansion followed by an adiabatic contraction. The entropy change for the isothermal process is calculated as ΔS = 1.73 nR, while the entropy change for the adiabatic process is zero since there is no heat exchange (dQ=0). Participants clarify that the final temperature is not double the initial temperature, emphasizing the need to apply the ideal gas law correctly. The confusion about the entropy change in the adiabatic step is addressed, confirming that it remains zero in reversible processes. Overall, the focus is on accurately determining the entropy changes in each step of the gas process.
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Homework Statement



One mole of a monatomic gas first expands isothermally, then contracts adiabatically. The final pressure and volume of the gas are twice its initial pressure and volume. (Pf=2Pi and Vf=2Vi)

Find the net change in the entropy of the gas.

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I found the entropy change for the first step. Let the volume between the two steps be Vm.

TVγ-1 = constant, so Vm = 22.5 Vi

ΔS = nR ln(Vm/Vi) = 1.73 nR

But I have no idea about the entropy change of the second step. What is the entropy change for an adiabatic process? Isn't dQ=0 ?
 
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Faux Carnival said:

Homework Statement



One mole of a monatomic gas first expands isothermally, then contracts adiabatically. The final pressure and volume of the gas are twice its initial pressure and volume. (Pf=2Pi and Vf=2Vi)

Find the net change in the entropy of the gas.

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



I found the entropy change for the first step. Let the volume between the two steps be Vm.

TVγ-1 = constant, so Vm = 22.5 Vi

ΔS = nR ln(Vm/Vi) = 1.73 nR

But I have no idea about the entropy change of the second step. What is the entropy change for an adiabatic process? Isn't dQ=0 ?
There is no entropy change in a reversible adiabatic process, so you just have to determine the change in entropy of the isothermal process. You appear to have tried doing this by applying the adiabatic condition (after finding the final temperature) to get the volume at the end of the isothermal process, but I can't figure out how you get your answer. If you apply the adiabatic condition:

\left(\frac{V_m}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma-1} = \frac{T_f}{T_m} = 4

AM
 
STEP 1 (ISOTHERMAL)

Pi Vi Ti ---> Punknown Vm Ti

STEP 2 (ADIABATIC)

Punknown Vm Ti ---> 2Pi 2Vi 2Ti

So, for the adiabatic process I applied TVγ-1 = constant.

Ti Vm2/3 = 2Ti (2Vi)2/3

Isn't this correct?

Another thing, is the change in entropy ΔS zero for adiabatic processes?
 
Faux Carnival said:
STEP 1 (ISOTHERMAL)

Pi Vi Ti ---> Punknown Vm Ti

STEP 2 (ADIABATIC)

Punknown Vm Ti ---> 2Pi 2Vi 2Ti

So, for the adiabatic process I applied TVγ-1 = constant.

Ti Vm2/3 = 2Ti (2Vi)2/3

Isn't this correct?
It is not correct. What is the final temperature? (hint: apply the ideal gas law). The final temperature is not twice the initial temperature.



Faux Carnival said:
Another thing, is the change in entropy ΔS zero for adiabatic processes?
Yes. See my previous post.

AM
 
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