What is the significance of multiple videos of the same event?

[Lacy33]

We saw this originally on an Israel website, but it is here too:
We have been replaying these for a couple hours now. There are at least four different videos of the same event. Neat!

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/50545/

 

[Lacy33]

These people say it's a hoax.

 

[MacLaddy]

Very interesting videos, if it's real I hope even more footage comes out.

I do wonder though; why didn't the person that was holding the camera in the first video pan up with it when it jumped up? That would have been my reaction.

 

[MacLaddy]

These people say it's a hoax.

I wonder if any of the news agencies have identified individuals that had footage, or if everything is off You Tube.

 

[pallidin]

Yeah, sure looks like a Hoax to me after viewing Lacy33 link.

 

[Lacy33]

Here is where we first saw the videos and story:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/142126
Knowing that is a really sacred place on the planet to a lot of people, I know there must be a billion people that would like these to be authentic.

It was just the beginning of winter I'm thinking when I saw something very similar from our roof in NYC and it was over the Met Life Insurance building not such a sacred place. Ha.
Where the one I saw/watched did not lower like this one in the films, it did have a path , most interesting as my husband adds, it took off in the same manner, fast!

 

[Lacy33]

Yeah, sure looks like a Hoax to me after viewing Lacy33 link.

You mean the things being done by the hoax people?

I thought it was a hoax too, but we replayed them for a couple hours listening to the people together with the visual.

 

[Lacy33]

Very interesting videos, if it's real I hope even more footage comes out.

I do wonder though; why didn't the person that was holding the camera in the first video pan up with it when it jumped up? That would have been my reaction.

I understand you would have followed it with the camera. Could be it was a simple person like me filming that and I would have just looked up. Forget the camera.
The young men on the Haas Promenade did follow it up and we see some lights up there in the sky too. Redish glow of some sort.

 

[MacLaddy]

I understand you would have followed it with the camera.

Actually, I'd probably drop the thing.

 

[Lacy33]

Actually, I'd probably drop the thing.

LOL, I was going to say faint.
Just watching it with my husband, we are sweating and shaking at the thought that it might be real LOL
Ya know as well as I do that ain't no small thing if it turns out to be real. LOL
{clunk}

 

[SkepticJ]

The thing with UFOs as aliens that doesn't make sense is that assuredly aliens could create machines we couldn't see, in the optical, as well as other spectrums. This doesn't require Star Trek-esque cloaking devices, but would be possible under known physics. We just don't have the engineering capability yet.

So these aliens are making visible machines, but they never do any dramatic display where it would be impossible for it to be denied. Think the ending of Close Encounters of the Third Kind happening over Tokyo or New York City. It's always dinky little lights or saucers skulking around. If they were trying to hide, they'd hide totally. If they were trying to make a display, boy howdy, you'd know it!

 

[Lacy33]

The thing with UFOs as aliens that doesn't make sense is that assuredly aliens could create machines we couldn't see, in the optical, as well as other spectrums. This doesn't require Star Trek-esque cloaking devices, but would be possible under known physics. We just don't have the engineering capability yet.

So these aliens are making visible machines, but they never do any dramatic display where it would be impossible for it to be denied. Think the ending of Close Encounters of the Third Kind happening over Tokyo or New York City. It's always dinky little lights or saucers skulking around. If they were trying to hide, they'd hide totally. If they were trying to make a display, boy howdy, you'd know it!

Well I guess I would know it then.
But that's why I entitled this little thread "This looks pretty Organic!"
Ya know, what I have been looking at all day is not machanical in nature.
I think that if this real, they all want someone to see this light show.

 

[Lacy33]

This is a 4th film that I wish I was more properly packaged for while viewing.



http://buzzroom.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/923/

Where is our NASA man Norman?

 

[SkepticJ]

You mean you think this thing, if real, is piloted by a squishy meat-bag like us?

Impossible, the acceleration would turn them into a gory jam on the floor. Only a machine could survive an acceleration like that.

Someone should run the numbers on that object's acceleration. It may be that even a machine couldn't do it, that no material, even theoretical, could survive it without breaking.

Also, by what means does it move? Where's the rocket flame? This is the real world, not sci-fi; Newtonian physics rules.

 

[Lacy33]

You mean you think this thing, if real, is piloted by a squishy meat-bag like us?

Impossible, the acceleration would turn them into a gory jam on the floor. Only a machine could survive an acceleration like that.

Someone should run the numbers on that object's acceleration. It may be that even a machine couldn't do it, that no material, even theoretical, could survive it without breaking.

Also, by what means does it move? Where's the rocket flame? This is the real world, not sci-fi; Newtonian physics rules.

That is pretty cute word play. Did you read the small article with the first link that quoted someone saying no one could withstand the g force?
Look at the links. Read it. Its fun!

 

[DevilsAvocado]

That must be Mubarak’s soul... going the wrong way??

 

[Lacy33]

Hey SkepticJ, My daughter has 3 geckos.

 

[Lacy33]

That must be Mubarak’s soul... going the wrong way??

If I were his soul I would be dashing off like that too! Waadda Thunk!~

 

[SkepticJ]

They're wonderfully cute little animals.

Mine finally died of old age last year. It'll be some years before I get another.

 

[Alfrez]

These people say it's a hoax.

Very good analysis how it could have been fabricated. Wonder if he can debunk the following too where there are 2 shots from different angles with a person in front of the camera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrmPTnhaHzs&feature=player_embedded

 

[SkepticJ]

Well, those videos would be easy to fake. We live in a digital world. Millions of people have computers, and the sort of software needed to create effects like that is freely available.
Those effects could be done inside of an hour of work; I could do it.

What's more likely, aliens drop a hovering, glowing ball over a site holy to three major religions, or some people who could know each other make some videos to pull legs?

The videos don't have to be debunked, someone needs to point to something that couldn't have been faked by someone with a bit of time on their hands using After Effects, Maya, and Photoshop.

 

[Alfrez]

Well, those videos would be easy to fake. We live in a digital world. Millions of people have computers, and the sort of software needed to create effects like that is freely available.
Those effects could be done inside of an hour of work; I could do it.

What's more likely, aliens drop a hovering, glowing ball over a site holy to three major religions, or some people who could know each other make some videos to pull legs?

The videos don't have to be debunked, someone needs to point to something that couldn't have been faked by someone with a bit of time on their hands using After Effects, Maya, and Photoshop.

Right. If no witnesses from different sectors of society see it with their own eyes. Then it must be a hoax perpetrated by a couple of people or so using CGI.

 

[collinsmark]

'Just as a point of reference (regarding the difficulty [or lack-thereof] of making such a video), here is another video that seems pretty realistic. I'll post it here on this thread for the purpose of comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c

 

[berkeman]

'Just as a point of reference (regarding the difficulty [or lack-thereof] of making such a video), here is another video that seems pretty realistic. I'll post it here on this thread for the purpose of comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqDVP_0O0c

Oh c'mon. That doesn't look at all like the original video...

 

[Lacy33]

Really looked around and the debunkers are having a pretty hard time with this one.
I think there will be more videos coming out and I have put out my ear to the communities that would have been in that area at the time. They would not be talking to the media about this because ...for various reasons I'm sure I don't know.

I feel comfortable with the "organic" part of this "event," if that is what it is. What I don't like are those red lights that look to be a part of something NOT so organic for personal reasons.

People are very crafty with the electronics these days.
I'm waiting to see. An NO "one" better not show up outside my windows. Theraputic medication coverage for that, for me, would be instantly leathal.

 

[Pengwuino]

These people say it's a hoax.

Time to get out my audio mixing software :)

 

[Lacy33]

Time to get out my audio mixing software :)

Mr. Pengwuino, Please bring out everything you have! There is no time for marching or dancing. We'll dance later.
Penguins on one side women on the other.

 

[Lacy33]

More than 12 hours invested in this Dome of Rock UFO event and I can not find ONE single person who saw it and did not have a camera in hand.
In other words only people issuing videos seem to have seen this.
It was pretty big in a busy area at a busy time of the night on that particular day for no one to have seen it.
I don't think so.
It can't be no one is talking.
Unless the visitors called only these folks to the event and gave them something to take home with them.
But Jody Foster already did Contact.

Someone has to be pretty darn good with the camera.

 

[SkepticJ]

I feel comfortable with the "organic" part of this "event," if that is what it is. What I don't like are those red lights that look to be a part of something NOT so organic for personal reasons.

One shouldn't base their beliefs on what they'd like to be true, but what is.

You keep using that word, what exactly do you mean by 'organic'? Why don't you like machines?

Someday, probably centuries or more from now, the real aliens we'll meet quite possibly will be machines. They'll have cast off the weaknesses of flesh--immortality's not such a bad deal.

 

[Alfrez]

This is the 1st, 2nd and 4th video shown simultaneously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

Note the flashes occurred simultaneously. The light in the 4th video is moving to the left while the one in the 2nd video is moving to the light. It means they were taken in opposite sides of the city (if they are all genuine).

This is the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd (which is fake) shown simultaneously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuuTVLS6eVg&feature=related

Note the 3rd fake doesn't show any flashes and it is this that is analysed by this link shared earlier:



The fake video has recordings of voices that are not believable or obviously fabricated (americans talking and ridiculously sounding).

The 4th video witness is being interviewed by a reporter in the following:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-News-Web/302771843259

So what are these? I don't believe they are aliens or spacecraft s. Scientific American says some form of dark matter can interact with normal baryons and even a whole dark matter world can exist or even inhabited. If it's genuine, it's more likely these are dark matter inhabitants phenomenon terrestrial to earth, not aliens. In my country. Many UFOs were sighted even some that are seen regularly for a week at regular schedule more than a decade ago and they were not aliens but some kind of dark matter like entities phenomenon. About being organic (this thread topic). No. Don't think they are organic, but more of bioplasmic (if they are genuine and not hoax).

 

[Nicodemus]

Couldn't this be genuine, but be a misunderstanding on the part of the oberservers? I've looked, and I won't pretend that I can offer an explanation, but if it's fake then plenty of people worked together.

If it's real, in that part of the world, why wouldn't something military be the first guess? I also really want to know what "bioplasmic" means, unless it's what I think, and that just means inter-intra cellular fluid.

 

[Alfrez]

Couldn't this be genuine, but be a misunderstanding on the part of the oberservers? I've looked, and I won't pretend that I can offer an explanation, but if it's fake then plenty of people worked together.

If it's real, in that part of the world, why wouldn't something military be the first guess? I also really want to know what "bioplasmic" means, unless it's what I think, and that just means inter-intra cellular fluid.

Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

 

[Nicodemus]

Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

Well, I don't believe in that, but thanks for explaining it. Putting the disbelief aside, what you're saying is that the object here, wasn't an alien craft, military, hallucination or the like, but rather living plasma? I did ask, so if this gets you in trouble I'm sorry, I just had no idea what you meant. I've been lurking a little for a few weeks, but I just made an account: frankly a lot of people talk about things I don't understand here!

 

[Alfrez]

Well, I don't believe in that, but thanks for explaining it. Putting the disbelief aside, what you're saying is that the object here, wasn't an alien craft, military, hallucination or the like, but rather living plasma? I did ask, so if this gets you in trouble I'm sorry, I just had no idea what you meant. I've been lurking a little for a few weeks, but I just made an account: frankly a lot of people talk about things I don't understand here!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

 

[Nicodemus]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

I understand, I'll read that article, but don't expect a convert. I have to admit, this is some weird video however. It's easier to dismiss as hoax when there aren't multiple camera angles on the same event. I believe it COULD be faked, but I'd like to see how it was faked if so, not anexample of how it COULD have been faked.