What is the significance of multiple videos of the same event?

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In summary: Survive? Impossible, the acceleration would turn them into a gory jam on the floor. Only a machine could survive an acceleration like that.
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Just going to blitz through this.
Alfrez said:
Oh, I'm sorry for not being clear. Bioplasmic means plasma like energy that is living. I work with bioplasmic body in a human body in my decades of Reiki or Chi healing. When a human body dies, the bioplasmic body gets separated from the physical body and can sometimes be luminous and exist as ghosts or apparitions above graveyards, etc. Yes in my country. Ghost sightings are commonplace. Now, these substance that ghosts are made of are the same substance as some orbs or ball of light that can float in air. Many UFOs are such orbs which are nothing but living entities probably made up of some kind of dark matter (remember only 4% of the universe are luminous). This is just a theory and logical one. Hope the moderator won't be mad for me stating this. Come on, if the sighting at Jerusalem are not advanced Israeli war drones. Then it's more logical they are bioplasmic energy than spaceships which don't make sense.

Alfrez said:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dark-worlds

Yes. Read the Scientific American November 2010 issue with the cover "Hidden Worlds of Dark Matter: An Entire Universe May Be Interwoven Silently With Our Own". It mentions how some dark matter can interact with ordinary baryons aside from gravitational. Also the dark matter like substance may behave like plasma.. so UFOs as living plasma is not far off. I'll stop at this point lest I violate the rules in this forum.

Well let's leave non-mainstream stuff out of it. Your article doesn't correlate at all with what you post above.
Lacy33 said:
More than 12 hours invested in this Dome of Rock UFO event and I can not find ONE single person who saw it and did not have a camera in hand.
In other words only people issuing videos seem to have seen this.
It was pretty big in a busy area at a busy time of the night on that particular day for no one to have seen it.
I don't think so.
It can't be no one is talking.
Unless the visitors called only these folks to the event and gave them something to take home with them.
But Jody Foster already did Contact.

Someone has to be pretty darn good with the camera.

So the only people who saw this are those with the cameras? No eye witnesses?

If that's true then mystery solved. Bit convenient the only people to see it happen to be those with cameras.
Alfrez said:
Right. If no witnesses from different sectors of society see it with their own eyes. Then it must be a hoax perpetrated by a couple of people or so using CGI.

What? If the only people to see it are those with cameras then it strikes me as a bit odd. You have a place that is a big name in religion, with a glowing light above it (reminds me of the Christmas star in Christianity) and no one else saw it? No one else has come forward?

You posted a link earlier with both videos side by side, not sure what you want us to say about it.

One thing I do note is that the two witnesses with cameras happen to be stood next to each other (the video ID's the second at the start). So you may have two cameras, but you have the same perspective.

In this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

You can actually see the supposed shape of the object - it's cross / 4 point star. Now if I can go from this to a religious view, I have no doubt the religious nuts out there definitely have. Looking at, in an initial light (this is opinion) I'd say it's some attempt at a religious publicity stunt - given the shape and location of the event. It just seems too convenient for my liking.

I'll be interested to see further analysis by others, more experienced in the field.

I keep mentioning it also, but "UFO" refers to a whole host of things. You can have UFO that isn't an alien. Well, so far I don't think we've had evidence that any UFO's have been alien.
 
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jarednjames said:
Just going to blitz through this.




Well let's leave non-mainstream stuff out of it. Your article doesn't correlate at all with what you post above.


So the only people who saw this are those with the cameras? No eye witnesses?

If that's true then mystery solved. Bit convenient the only people to see it happen to be those with cameras.


What? If the only people to see it are those with cameras then it strikes me as a bit odd. You have a place that is a big name in religion, with a glowing light above it (reminds me of the Christmas star in Christianity) and no one else saw it? No one else has come forward?

You posted a link earlier with both videos side by side, not sure what you want us to say about it.

One thing I do note is that the two witnesses with cameras happen to be stood next to each other (the video ID's the second at the start). So you may have two cameras, but you have the same perspective.

In this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHSqRKmhQcs&feature=related

You can actually see the supposed shape of the object - it's cross / 4 point star. Now if I can go from this to a religious view, I have no doubt the religious nuts out there definitely have. Looking at, in an initial light (this is opinion) I'd say it's some attempt at a religious publicity stunt - given the shape and location of the event. It just seems too convenient for my liking.

I'll be interested to see further analysis by others, more experienced in the field.

I keep mentioning it also, but "UFO" refers to a whole host of things. You can have UFO that isn't an alien. Well, so far I don't think we've had evidence that any UFO's have been alien.

Photoshop, Maya, After Effects? The "flash" part is interesting.. maybe someone can do shadow analysis to see if the light really come from the source above. What programs can cause light and shadow effects from a light source within the video? Since all the 3 videos have "flash" effect, one can easily detect any discrepancies of shadows anywhere inside especially the last close-up video.
 
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Personally, I'd be more interested in eye witnesses right now.

Although I don't usually listen to eye witness testimony, it wasn't exactly a subtle event and someone must have seen something - especially given the flash.

The ability to edit video isn't exactly limited these days. There's nothing to gauge a time on the video so that video itself could be months old and a lot of time spent making it believable.

Just throwing ideas out there.
 
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jarednjames said:
Personally, I'd be more interested in eye witnesses right now.

Although I don't usually listen to eye witness testimony, it wasn't exactly a subtle event and someone must have seen something - especially given the flash.

The ability to edit video isn't exactly limited these days. There's nothing to gauge a time on the video so that video itself could be months old and a lot of time spent making it believable.

Just throwing ideas out there.

Yeah, if you have tons of eye witnesses, but no video it's time to be perplexed. If you have tons of video and no eyewitnesses, it seems logical to be even more perplexed.
 
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The event occurred at 1AM in the morning. What time does the Temple Mount close at night, or it is 24 hours? Is the area cordoned off at night or open to the public? Anyone has visited the Temple Mount before?
 
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Nicodemus said:
Yeah, if you have tons of eye witnesses, but no video it's time to be perplexed. If you have tons of video and no eyewitnesses, it seems logical to be even more perplexed.

Eyewitnesses with no video = questionable.
No eyewitnesses with video = strong chance the video is faked (unless events occurred in a location that has extremely low population density).
Eyewitnesses and video = much stronger position, still not infallible though.

We don't have tons of video from what I've seen. In particular, as I point out above we have two videos from people in the same place (metres apart). So I'm not seeing those as two videos (a bit convenient if you will). For me to take it more seriously, I need a variety of video from (vastly) differing view points.
Alfrez said:
The event occurred at 1AM in the morning. What time does the Temple Mount close at night, or it is 24 hours? Is the area cordoned off at night or open to the public? Anyone has visited the Temple Mount before?

The time isn't so much my problem, it's obviously during the night/early morning. The problem is with the date. My point is that unless the video contains a visual marker that confirms the date it could be any night over the last few years with a claim that it is the night in question.

What time it closes et al are valid questions. If there were people there, they should have seen something.
 
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jarednjames said:
Eyewitnesses with no video = questionable.
No eyewitnesses with video = strong chance the video is faked (unless events occurred in a location that has extremely low population density).
Eyewitnesses and video = much stronger position, still not infallible though.

We don't have tons of video from what I've seen. In particular, as I point out above we have two videos from people in the same place (metres apart). So I'm not seeing those as two videos (a bit convenient if you will). For me to take it more seriously, I need a variety of video from (vastly) differing view points.


The time isn't so much my problem, it's obviously during the night/early morning. The problem is with the date. My point is that unless the video contains a visual marker that confirms the date it could be any night over the last few years with a claim that it is the night in question.

What time it closes et al are valid questions. If there were people there, they should have seen something.

Actually the 4th video and 1st/2nd video are from the opposite side of the Temple mount, you can see the light moving to the left in the 4th video, while in the 1st/2nd video, the light is moving to the right. See it again. They are from almost opposite perspectives.

About eyewitnesses. To tell the truth, there are just so many sightings in different places all over the world. There are even stranger sightings in Israel of giant structural objects in the past (with videos in the archives). The point is. People don't care anymore. Why report the sightings when you know you don't be taken seriously or just be ridiculed. Scientists won't entertain UFOs, the public is exposed to just so many UFOs that people are literally wearied already. Do UFOs make you rich? Do UFOs give you more women or fame? Maybe in the past, but not nowadays. I studied UFOs extensively in the past to get an idea of what is the energy I dealt with in Reiki and Chi. In other words, I studied all phenomena in nature to give a clue to the nature of reality. But after over 60 books on UFOs and dozens of videos. I got tired already. So are other folks and the public. We don't care about UFOs anymore. They have no relevance in our lives. If I'd see a UFO, I'd not report it because I know it'd just be ignored. Newspapers treat UFOs as like worldly world news nonsense and witnesses would just be ridiculed, so it is just wise to stay silent. This is how I understood any witnesses would feel. Back in the 1980s. Witnesses are given special treatment. But now, no more and worse, just headache in career or life. Hence don't expect many witnesses nowadays to come forward.
 
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SkepticJ said:
One shouldn't base their beliefs on what they'd like to be true, but what is.

You keep using that word, what exactly do you mean by 'organic'? Why don't you like machines?

Someday, probably centuries or more from now, the real aliens we'll meet quite possibly will be machines. They'll have cast off the weaknesses of flesh--immortality's not such a bad deal.

First of all to all posters who continue to chat about this, I am interested and still wait to hear from a chicken, cow, police, anyone or anything that can say I saw this flash or not. I am thinking regarding the flash that is not seen in the video from the group of American tourists, they may have been in the city too close to lights to have picked up the flash.

To my buddy and fellow Gecko lover SkepticJ, leave alone my belief system! I don't have a clue what I believe. I don't get how a total stranger can know what I believe. With all due respect.
I believe my chicken soup is boiling over because I set the heat on high and forgot about it sitting over at the computer. I Hear, it sizzling down the sides of the pot and Hear the lid of the pot rattling. Based on that I Believe that when I go around the corner into the kitchen I may find that my assumption is true and I have not only a boiling pot of soup but a huge mess to deal with as well. That mess will be the uncertainty factor in my Belief.
Now Why I am making chicken soup on a Friday morning could be seen by some as a part of a belief system. I tend to see it as a tradition of my family who may have, like me began making this chicken soup on a Thursday when it would have been better. But hundred years ago or so the woman found themselves investing their Thursday's investigating strange lights hanging over the butcher market. :biggrin: And began making it on Friday morning in a rush. :redface:

Keep us updated on any possible witnesses.
Thank you
 
  • #44
Alfrez said:
Actually the 4th video and 1st/2nd video are from the opposite side of the Temple mount, you can see the light moving to the left in the 4th video, while in the 1st/2nd video, the light is moving to the right. See it again. They are from almost opposite perspectives.

180 degrees is actually a poor perspective change (obvious reasons).
About eyewitnesses. To tell the truth, there are just so many sightings in different places all over the world. There are even stranger sightings in Israel of giant structural objects in the past (with videos in the archives). The point is. People don't care anymore. Why report the sightings when you know you don't be taken seriously or just be ridiculed. Scientists won't entertain UFOs, the public is exposed to just so many UFOs that people are literally wearied already. Do UFOs make you rich? Do UFOs give you more women or fame? Maybe in the past, but not nowadays. I studied UFOs extensively in the past to get an idea of what is the energy I dealt with in Reiki and Chi. In other words, I studied all phenomena in nature to give a clue to the nature of reality. But after over 60 books on UFOs and dozens of videos. I got tired already. So are other folks and the public. We don't care about UFOs anymore. They have no relevance in our lives. If I'd see a UFO, I'd not report it because I know it'd just be ignored. Newspapers treat UFOs as like worldly world news nonsense and witnesses would just be ridiculed, so it is just wise to stay silent. This is how I understood any witnesses would feel. Back in the 1980s. Witnesses are given special treatment. But now, no more and worse, just headache in career or life. Hence don't expect many witnesses nowadays to come forward.

Again, UFO's exist. They are very real*.

People aren't tired of sightings, they are tired of sketchy, blurry pictures/video.

The problem I have, is that you have a really religious place have something like this happen and yet the only evidence put forward is a few videos. There should be some eyewitnesses.

*UFO =/= Aliens
 
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Compare this to sightings of real objects, such as military aircraft refueling: you then have video, pictures, eyewitness reports. It's weird, like jarednjames is saying, to have only one kind of evidence for something so spectacular in the middle of a place filled with religious followers.
 
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Lacy33 said:
First of all to all posters who continue to chat about this, I am interested and still wait to hear from a chicken, cow, police, anyone or anything that can say I saw this flash or not. I am thinking regarding the flash that is not seen in the video from the group of American tourists, they may have been in the city too close to lights to have picked up the flash.

Keep us updated on any possible witnesses.
Thank you

The video with the American tourists is the fake one that many in the entire internet or youtube already knew as fake just planted by someone to confuse or kill the story.

You know about All News Web? In Facebook, it is mentioned "I have now spoken to the witness who filmed the fourth (real) video"

http://www.facebook.com/pages/All-News-Web/302771843259

Since the witness is the one who filmed the fourth video, then he could be the fabricator if the video is fake. We could know the story in a few days.

If there is curfew in Temple Mount such that it is closed at 9pm with a big area condoned off, with only guards that man it. Then the only witnesses are security guards. Would they tell the news bureau about it? Or for those in other buildings who could have witnessed the object (if it were real). How will he report it? If you were the witness. Would you go to a reporter and tell the story? Our hope therefore lies if the Temple Mount is filled with signficiant number of people at 1AM in the midst of the night. If there are a number of people, and they can be tracked and questioned and no one seen it, then the story is debunked. Hope those who have visited Temple Mount can share about experiences with the place especially at night.
 
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Alfrez said:
If there is curfew in Temple Mount such that it is closed at 9pm with a big area condoned off, with only guards that man it. Then the only witnesses are security guards. Would they tell the news bureau about it? Or for those in other buildings who could have witnessed the object (if it were real). How will he report it? If you were the witness. Would you go to a reporter and tell the story? Our hope therefore lies if the Temple Mount is filled with signficiant number of people at 1AM in the midst of the night. If there are a number of people, and they can be tracked and questioned and no one seen it, then the story is debunked. Hope those who have visited Temple Mount can share about experiences with the place especially at night.

Note how far the people filming it are away. It was blatantly obvious in the video and so if you are telling me the no one else in visible range saw it then I can't accept that.

Like I said, you are in a heavily religious area and something like this happens (their own Christmas star story). People would be jumping to report it.
 
  • #48
I have to admit, if I saw something like that, even if I thought it was a hallucination I'd tell some people I had it. It's very hard to imagine this got "team coverage", but no witnesses. Our eyes are designed, even at the margins, to track rapid movement and light/dark contrast: nobody saw this at ALL?!

Reverse it: if 3 people claimed to see this, but everyone else had video of a clear day, it would be weird. You expect some balance between people filming with a veriety of devices, but that's always a PART of the larger witness pool.
 
  • #49
Nicodemus said:
I have to admit, if I saw something like that, even if I thought it was a hallucination I'd tell some people I had it. It's very hard to imagine this got "team coverage", but no witnesses. Our eyes are designed, even at the margins, to track rapid movement and light/dark contrast: nobody saw this at ALL?!

Reverse it: if 3 people claimed to see this, but everyone else had video of a clear day, it would be weird. You expect some balance between people filming with a veriety of devices, but that's always a PART of the larger witness pool.

Sometimes we see things that seem so real and important that is takes a while to process it.
Back a few months I saw a very strange event while resting in the garden of our high rise at night.
I was so stunned by the event that I simply walked around for days saying "I just saw a UFO! Why am I all excited about it."
I am the mystical type kid out a family of scientists. Too bad for me. But I still don't buy something just because it will fill a gap.
I found the post for that sighting:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2926255&postcount=39
Knowing the world today, and having lived enough to know, there really is no one whom to report a real UFO.
We saw one in 1980, St Paul, MN USA. We ran upstairs and called the police. I explained to them I was a nurse and not a nut. We just saw a UFO and where. They said " Outer space is not our jurisdiction, call the air force." So we talked about calling the airport and got some number. Don't think we called.
Who do you call?
 
  • #50
Lacy33 said:
Knowing the world today, and having lived enough to know, there really is no one whom to report a real UFO.

Under most circumstances I'd agree. But, once again I bring up the religious nature of this location (I'm not typing it again, it's all above).
We saw one in 1980, St Paul, MN USA. We ran upstairs and called the police. I explained to them I was a nurse and not a nut. We just saw a UFO and where. They said " Outer space is not our jurisdiction, call the air force." So we talked about calling the airport and got some number. Don't think we called.
Who do you call?

Who you call depends on the airspace classification and any specific restrictions applying to that area.

As above, in such a religious area you'd expect people to be making claims if they'd seen it.
 
  • #51
I use a ruler in the monitor to detect if the light that descends is straight down or move with the background. It moves with the background. Thought I could debunk it by the ruler method. If it moves straight down even if the background is moving, then it is obviously fake but the designer of it seemed to be a good one (if fake). If you detect any image processing anomaly, let us know. Although the one with american tourists are obviously fake as the lights are steady and really taken from an LCD monitor.

UFO sightings were of two kinds.. one just ball of lights, the other one with structures. I can accept some balls of lights as energy creatures like ghosts which are abound in my country. But with the structured object like flying Triangles. I don't have an idea what they are after a decade of investigation. Some Flying Triangles can accelerate fast too as if able to control inertia. When the light ascends up again from the Temple Mount, you can see red lights above rotating. Darn. Hope it's not a Dark Triangle and the light a probe, because it is disturbing to consider the possibility real aliens are involved.

For sure, at least a witness or two aside from those with camera could discuss about it in Israel web sites and chat room written in their language. Someone who knows Israel language better check it out. If none can be found. It's more likely it's just all a hoax. If so, it's better that way because Black Triangle sending probes to the Temple Mount is not good for us. Religions are the cause of war on Earth and a trouble maker. And something messing with religion is not good sign. Religion is a tool for war.
 
  • #53
Alfrez said:
UFO sightings were of two kinds..

Seriously people, a UFO is any object in the sky we cannot identify. Period. Full stop. Finished.
I can accept some balls of lights as energy creatures like ghosts which are abound in my country.

There is precisely zero evidence of ghosts and so I think it's best we leave them out of the equation.
Some Flying Triangles can accelerate fast too as if able to control inertia.

Again, zippo in the way of evidence so let's leave that out.
When the light ascends up again from the Temple Mount, you can see red lights above rotating. Darn. Hope it's not a Dark Triangle and the light a probe, because it is disturbing to consider the possibility real aliens are involved.

Red lights? Like those that mark aircraft orientation (port I believe)? No need to invoke aliens.
And something messing with religion is not good sign.

I'm going to take this light heartedly, but again this is way, way out there in the speculation area.

That's more like it MacLaddy!
 
  • #54
Put out today from Israel.

http://www.isrealli.org/ufo-sighting-over-temple-mount-has-interwebs-on-fire/
 
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Lacy33 said:
Put out today from Israel.

http://www.isrealli.org/ufo-sighting-over-temple-mount-has-interwebs-on-fire/

Again though, all about the videos. Not seeing eyewitnesses.

I'm pretty much sold on hoax at the moment.
 
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Lacy33 said:
Sometimes we see things that seem so real and important that is takes a while to process it.
Back a few months I saw a very strange event while resting in the garden of our high rise at night.
I was so stunned by the event that I simply walked around for days saying "I just saw a UFO! Why am I all excited about it."
I am the mystical type kid out a family of scientists. Too bad for me. But I still don't buy something just because it will fill a gap.
I found the post for that sighting:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2926255&postcount=39
Knowing the world today, and having lived enough to know, there really is no one whom to report a real UFO.
We saw one in 1980, St Paul, MN USA. We ran upstairs and called the police. I explained to them I was a nurse and not a nut. We just saw a UFO and where. They said " Outer space is not our jurisdiction, call the air force." So we talked about calling the airport and got some number. Don't think we called.
Who do you call?

The first thing that makes me question your objective observer status, is that you were stunned. As someone pointed out in that thread, it could be a RC toy, or a number of other things. It seems pointless, but then, why are people shining laser pointers into airplane cockpits? There are always some people who want to play games with others, and there are always people looking for something to believe in, or support for what they already believe.
 
  • #57
Red lights can also be atmospheric reflections of radio and cell tower warning lights, or just those lights. People see and believe some very odd things, and for all the incredible sightings there isn't incredible video. In this one case there is incredible video, but only the videographers saw it? Yeah, obviously a hoax in a land where that's not exactly unheard of.
 
  • #58
Nicodemus said:
in a land where that's not exactly unheard of.

And importantly, a land it could be very beneficial.
 
  • #60
No, look at the second links posted by MacLaddy (thank you). Written on the video are the people who are coming out and saying they have seen this. Am I wrong? I tried to copy it but its on the video.
 
  • #61
Lacy33 said:
No, look at the second links posted by MacLaddy (thank you). Written on the video are the people who are coming out and saying they have seen this. Am I wrong? I tried to copy it but its on the video.

The person writing it is from a UFO and Paranormal website and claims they're planning a massive cover up.

The fact the last section says "the government and media are lying to you, aliens are visiting earth, demand your government tell the truth" says it all.

These are UFO nut jobs. Nothing credible there.

I could show them exactly how one of these videos is faked and they'd still tell me I'm talking through my ***.
 
  • #62
jarednjames said:
The person writing it is from a UFO and Paranormal website and claims they're planning a massive cover up.

The fact the last section says "the government and media are lying to you, aliens are visiting earth, demand your government tell the truth" says it all.

These are UFO nut jobs. Nothing credible there.

I could show them exactly how one of these videos is faked and they'd still tell me I'm talking through my ***.

I see now. I was trying to read it in small print.
So you you think all of these Dome videos are fake or are you just saying about any fake ufo this group would not believe cause they are close minded?
 
  • #64
"While there are those which eliminate the possibility that contempt aliens and holidays over the wall, other scientists argue: It is very possible that the wall is an attraction for beings from outer space," "At first, residents did not seem unusual phenomenon, but soon began to sparkle ball to make movements over the Old City"

Couldn't have said it better myself. (I think) :confused:
 
  • #65
Lacy33 said:
OK! Now what? We all have to get along or something? I hate everyone.
I don't want to be good.
I didn't know we had neighbors! :cry:

I don't know what this means, or the part in the post after it about small print.
 
  • #66
I am fairly confident of the "Hoax" label after reading the comments from the locals. Interesting how little buzz this is creating in the area.
 
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Lacy33 said:
So you you think all of these Dome videos are fake

I do, pending further evidence.
are you just saying about any fake ufo this group would not believe cause they are close minded?

I am. The basic attitude shown on that video tells you all you need to know about them.
 
  • #68
macladdy said:
couldn't have said it better myself. (i think) :confused:

lol!
 
  • #69
Nicodemus said:
I don't know what this means, or the part in the post after it about small print.

I was admitting I was not ready to face a reality of UFO's and the part about the small print is where I missread and thought there were many people who were now coming out saying they saw it.

So we conclude here that the Dome UFO's are a hoax of some type and not real at all? Well until one lands on our picnic table?
 
  • #70
Lacy33 said:
So we conclude here that the Dome UFO's are a hoax of some type and not real at all? Well until one lands on our picnic table?

Well let's review the evidence:

1. Four sketchy videos.
2. No eye witnesses identified (outside of the video owners - careful, they are flaunting them as separate eye witnesses in some sources - clever wording).
3. No official reports of anything outside of the videos.
4. The only people claiming potential eye witnesses so far are a UFO/Paranormal crackpot site.
5. Potential link to a movie viral ad campaign.

Would you say things are looking good for it?
 

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