What is the Thread of Arts in Everyday Life?

[rewebster]

The pigeon is good --I like it----"The Squab of Death"---how many in the edition?

 

[baywax]

The pigeon is good --I like it----"The Squab of Death"---how many in the edition?

I only did about 14 in the run. Mostly for my own edification.

 

[rewebster]

http://www.distinctivebooks.com/Ebay/1542l.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXRARE-VER-SACRUM-GUSTAV-KLIMT-12-ISSUES-W-COVERS-1898_W0QQitemZ120264580803QQihZ002QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120263821412&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002

Two really nice books--plus he has some others.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZdistinctivebooks

 

[rewebster]

And here are the cartoons for a large painting that is in New York. These were part of a series about nuclear holocaust. And strangely peaceful. edit, a fresco actually.

Are they yours?----Where? a ceiling?


here's a link for frescoes for those not too familiar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresco

 

[baywax]

Are they yours?----Where? a ceiling?


here's a link for frescoes for those not too familiar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresco

I am a huge fan of art nouveau... or at least I was. Then, as you can see in the ceiling at the Aqualina, after spending many months doing plant and vine motifs... I just saw it as decoration... like much of the stuff I've done in people's homes, palaces and estate (and casinos!). Also, when you do art for the United Arab Emerates, their religious beliefs prohibit the use of any depictions of animals, people etc... sometimes you get way with birds and plants... but, for the most part, you end up doing nouveau design elements.

The nuke scene is mine. The cartoons are used to trace your images on to still-wet plaster... sometimes you don't have time to trace and have to freehand it.

When Michelangelo Buonarroti frescoed the Sistine Chapel ceilings, he had to use a lot of free hand application and consequently provided us with some incredibly spontaneous images that resemble japanese and chinese water colour. The recent cleaning of the Sistine Chapel frescoes only confirms this view. ... of his paintings reveal a web of unblended color and brushstrokes. With the time constraints of the technique, Michelangelo unwittingly became one of the first impressionist painters, about 300 years before Monet or Cezanne.

My chaotic nuclear fresco was for a long wall. Long before 9/11. The fresco technique is as scary as hell. Its not that the end product is better than a canvas or other applications, frescos represent permanence and so on. They're just classy. My client would like to remain unannounced.

 

[rewebster]

Fresco work is definitely a specialized 'niche'---(actually when I asked 'where', I was wondering if it on a 'ceiling' or wall)--from what I've seen, ceilings take a little more work.

I'm guessing you're from the UK? (colour/color)---have you been to the Tate?

 

[baywax]

Fresco work is definitely a specialized 'niche'---(actually when I asked 'where', I was wondering if it on a 'ceiling' or wall)--from what I've seen, ceilings take a little more work.

I'm guessing you're from the UK? (colour/color)---have you been to the Tate?

I am Canadian... canuck, lumberjack, eskimo, snowback... cousin to the Americans... the guys that would have liked to help with Independence except we were totally over run by the swarmy dogs.

Yeah, ceilings hurt your neck and you can fall a lot further.

The scariest thing about frescos is that you are applying the pigments while the plaster is wet. It is a grey colour that will eventually dry white. So you do not have a clear idea of what you've just painted. You have to mix on white to get an idea before applying it. Michelangelo had an uncanny talent for this... sometimes going directly on to the wet plaster with his colour. The guy gives me the willies. The cleaned version is nutzo. You'd think it was done by a modernist.

The attached shows how bright it is after 300 years of incense smoke and god knows what else was cleaned off!
I haven't seen the Tate. But London is fantastic, generally.

Have you been to the Duke of York Pub?

 

[rewebster]

yeah, thanks, I did. Each one is totally different to work on, so each one has a different 'technique' so, it's impossible for me to say 'how to do one'. What may not even 'touch' one in the way of cleaning, will take the paint off to the canvas on another---What people do like is my in-painting when there rips, tears, and chunks of paint or canvas missing--some restorers can't match brush strokes, or especially the paint.

on the one above, the photos were taken in two totally different light sources (and a low end camera), so some colors still doesn't match up right.

 

[baywax]

yeah, thanks, I did. Each one is totally different to work on, so each one has a different 'technique' so, it's impossible for me to say 'how to do one'. What may not even 'touch' one in the way of cleaning, will take the paint off to the canvas on another---What people do like is my in-painting when there rips, tears, and chunks of paint or canvas missing--some restorers can't match brush strokes, or especially the paint.

on the one above, the photos were taken in two totally different light sources (and a low end camera), so some colors still doesn't match up right.

Thank you.

I'm totally restoring my outlook with a beer right now and things are looking brighter.

I was wondering because it is such a tricky business. One doesn't know what or how the artist wanted to convey with an image or painting. What one calls dirt may have been an application that is, in the mind of the artist, integral to the portrayal. Scary!

Anyway... later days!

 

[rewebster]

hey, baywax---do you have a website for the company you work for? (you don't have to post it if you don't want to)

 

[Cyrus]

I just finished watching a GREAT movie called "POLLOCK" staring Ed Harris. Really good movie.

 

[rewebster]

I saw this on ebay and thought it looked so nice that I would post it.

http://www.antiques-supermarket.com/ebay/april21-08/as-1153_03.jpg

http://cgi.ebay.com/Great-antique-oil-on-board-woman-painting-as-1153_W0QQitemZ380031767690QQihZ025QQcategoryZ551QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

A lot of older paintings need a light cleaning and this one would too

http://www.antiques-supermarket.com/ebay/april21-08/as-1153_04.jpg

 

[lisab]

I just finished watching a GREAT movie called "POLLOCK" staring Ed Harris. Really good movie.

I don't know much about Jackson Pollock, but I just don't "get" that kind of art. If he was working on a painting and screwed it up, how would he (or anyone) know?

 

[rewebster]

I am Canadian... canuck, lumberjack, eskimo, snowback... cousin to the Americans... the guys that would have liked to help with Independence except we were totally over run by the swarmy dogs.

Yeah, ceilings hurt your neck and you can fall a lot further.

The scariest thing about frescos is that you are applying the pigments while the plaster is wet. It is a grey colour that will eventually dry white. So you do not have a clear idea of what you've just painted. You have to mix on white to get an idea before applying it. Michelangelo had an uncanny talent for this... sometimes going directly on to the wet plaster with his colour. The guy gives me the willies. The cleaned version is nutzo. You'd think it was done by a modernist.

The attached shows how bright it is after 300 years of incense smoke and god knows what else was cleaned off!

My place looks like that-not frescoes, but paintings (except for the ceiling --its still bare)----not very much of the blank walls still showing.

I picked up a mural 'fragment' by Willy Pogany not too long ago, and it was painted on canvas with remnants of plaster on the back. I'm guessing he glued the canvas to the wall. I tried to read up on him, as there's quite a bit out there on him, but couldn't find out whether he painted first, and then glued the canvas up, or vise-versa. It's still a beautiful piece as a fragment--I bought it for that, the beauty of it--then found out later it was by Pogany.

I've thought about doing something 'sometime' on a couple of my ceilings on canvas glued up there. (that would get around some of the problems with plaster)

 

[rewebster]

I don't know much about Jackson Pollock, but I just don't "get" that kind of art. If he was working on a painting and screwed it up, how would he (or anyone) know?

my personal theory is that he couldn't paint the way he wanted to in figural work which he did with minor success. I try to use correlation in my thinking, and his move into the abstract is similar to someone moving out into the country side (they didn't like the city life), so he (Pollock) found something that he did like to do.

 

[baywax]

My place looks like that-not frescoes, but paintings (except for the ceiling --its still bare)----not very much of the blank walls still showing.

I picked up a mural 'fragment' by Willy Pogany not too long ago, and it was painted on canvas with remnants of plaster on the back. I'm guessing he glued the canvas to the wall. I tried to read up on him, as there's quite a bit out there on him, but couldn't find out whether he painted first, and then glued the canvas up, or vise-versa. It's still a beautiful piece as a fragment--I bought it for that, the beauty of it--then found out later it was by Pogany.

I've thought about doing something 'sometime' on a couple of my ceilings on canvas glued up there. (that would get around some of the problems with plaster)

Yes, that's a technique we used to use for long haul installations. Its very convenient to compose and produce a piece in studio then roll it up and ship it off to timbuc2. There are logistical loops and hoops to get over with that application. For instance there was a client who wanted a 17th century map in a 1000 sq ft dome. We figured out the logistics by taking a school sized globe, scoring the paper exterior into pie portions... ended up being 12 triangles, then pasting them back together inside out to represent the dome with the canvases pasted in it. You have to be very good at overlap cutting once its up. You have to be really good at placing the canvas once its soaked in glue.

The best glue for this application is a ceramic based wall paper paste. Its brown in colour. Sticks like nobody's business. But, I warn you, there will be mishaps and mayhem if you try this without several tests etc... It took years to perfect this technique. There are pieces where you cannot see one seam in the mural.

The canvas gauge is very important. 12 oz is too heavy. 10 oz is better. 6 oz is too light and the glue will come through and ruin your artwork. We managed to use all three and get away with it. Priming a canvas that's too thin will see it stuck to the wall when you want to remove your art work. Then you have a nice bit of art for the studio... but no contract because its stuck to the wall or ruined from prying it loose!

 

[rewebster]

My guess is that the canvas has just about got to be soaked in a thinned acrylic gesso, and coated again on the 'painting' side, maybe twice with the full strength with it.

Most of it on the walls is 'other people's art'---I've been buying (and selling) on the side since I was in college.

 

[baywax]

I don't know much about Jackson Pollock, but I just don't "get" that kind of art. If he was working on a painting and screwed it up, how would he (or anyone) know?

Its like trying to figure out the next wave of modernists. They're doing something that really seems junky or hyper or whathaveyou... but it is the very cutting edge of art. No one has done it. You might know of Marcel Duchamp who carried the cubist movement to NY. He also dabbled in the DADA movement. The DADA movement was an anti-war, anti-control movement and one of their most famous pieces was the Mona Lisa with a moustache.

At one of his shows he used an old urinal to place on the wall as an art piece. It was left as an original urinal but he signed it as "R.Mudd". It was known as Duchamp's Fountain.

These are pieces that resemble Pollock's work in that they were very new for the time and very controversial. No one could really get them... with the exception of artists and art critics.

When Duchamp did the "Nude Descending A Staircase", even though it was done in a traditional method... paint on canvas, it and he were panned like the plague.

The coolest thing about Jackson's painting is the motion and the residual motions of his action painting.

To tell you the truth, everyday the MOMA or other museums with Pollock's work in them are sweeping up to $20,000 worth of paint off the floor because he used house paint and marine enamels etc... in his work. They are not of archival quality.

 

[Cyrus]

I don't know much about Jackson Pollock, but I just don't "get" that kind of art. If he was working on a painting and screwed it up, how would he (or anyone) know?

Hehe, that's not how art works! If you watch the movie, it will help you 'get it'.

 

[rewebster]

These are pieces that resemble Pollock's work in that they were very new for the time and very controversial. No one could really get them... with the exception of artists and art critics.

When Duchamp did the "Nude Descending A Staircase", even though it was done in a traditional method... paint on canvas, it and he were panned like the plague.

The coolest thing about Jackson's painting is the motion and the residual motions of his action painting.

To tell you the truth, everyday the MOMA or other museums with Pollock's work in them are sweeping up to $20,000 worth of paint off the floor because he used house paint and marine enamels etc... in his work. They are not of archival quality.

I remember reading that one of Picasso's works in some museum had to be turned 'upside-down' for six months out of the year for the paint to get back in place, because, instead of using linseed oil, he used motor oil.

 

[baywax]

I remember reading that one of Picasso's works in some museum had to be turned 'upside-down' for six months out of the year for the paint to get back in place, because, instead of using linseed oil, he used motor oil.

Ha ha! That's how them damn "in the moment" people worked. That and there wasn't much in the way of understanding of archival methodologies. None of this seemed to hamper Picasso or any of the other greats from those days. I mean, Beethoven wrote his music while he was deaf and Monet painted his Lilies while going partially blind. Extreme dedication eh?! Sort of like Mick Jaggar still going at it against all odds!

 

[Cyrus]

Ha ha! That's how them damn "in the moment" people worked. That and there wasn't much in the way of understanding of archival methodologies. None of this seemed to hamper Picasso or any of the other greats from those days. I mean, Beethoven wrote his music while he was deaf and Monet painted his Lilies while going partially blind. Extreme dedication eh?! Sort of like Mick Jaggar still going at it against all odds!

Well, he had catarcts. So technically he wasnt going blind. It was distorting his ability to interpret colors.

 

[rewebster]

I was looking around on ebay (again), and I saw this painting in the listings view. I thought 'whoa'-- a fantasy/surreal piece of a 'portrait' with an owl's head.

When I when to the item, it was a miniature portrait---the painting itself is only 2 1/2" by 3 1/4"

http://cgi.ebay.com/19th-C-BEAUTIFUL-OIL-IVORY-MINIATURE-PAINTING-SIGNED_W0QQitemZ280230160643QQihZ018QQcategoryZ551QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[baywax]

I was looking around on ebay (again), and I saw this painting in the listings view. I thought 'whoa'-- a fantasy/surreal piece of a 'portrait' with an owl's head.

When I when to the item, it was a miniature portrait---the painting itself is only 2 1/2" by 3 1/4"

Holy ****, that guy got cataracts just doing the painting! I am really interested in tackling this type of painting. The brushes are probably one and two hair in size. I saw the portrait of Napoleon's son and it was about that size. I have been dabbling in iconic art using oils and gilding but these panels are more like 1 and 2 feet high.

A beautiful rendering of Napoleon's son, Napoleon Francois Charles Joseph (1811-1832) from his union with Maria Louisa of Austria. This miniature painted on ivory is encased in a Bronze frame decorated with an "N" under a crown supported by Egyptian sphinx. The painting is signed by "Hernandez" and attributed to Daniel Hernandez (1856-1932). In excellent condition; Size 5" height by 3.25" width.

Actually the "sphinx" appear to be more Babylonian than Egyptian.

 

[baywax]

hey, baywax---do you have a website for the company you work for? (you don't have to post it if you don't want to)

Yes, here's the whole enchilada.

http://www.gormanstudios.com/

 

[rewebster]

Yes, here's the whole enchilada.

http://www.gormanstudios.com/

my, my, my-------

The company does absolutely incredible and fabulous work---I am really, really impressed. ---really


I started thinking about the quality shown in the photos and thought about William Morris, L. C. Tiffany, and the Roycroft studios and all the various 'products', commissions, etc. they did--only they were more singly minded in their 'style' output (which led to those companies downfall/going out of fashion--but are recognized for their 'style').


my, my, my-----what fun

 

[baywax]

my, my, my-------

The company does absolutely incredible and fabulous work---I am really, really impressed. ---really


I started thinking about the quality shown in the photos and thought about William Morris, L. C. Tiffany, and the Roycroft studios and all the various 'products', commissions, etc. they did--only they were more singly minded in their 'style' output (which led to those companies downfall/going out of fashion--but are recognized for their 'style').


my, my, my-----what fun

It was a major amount of fun. Especially when there was no micro-managing by the owner or the clients. And that's when the best work is done. Too many cooks etc...

Style in that business is just another commodity. There was no specific style so the company lasted, and lasts, a little longer than someone with a "branded" style like Tiffany's or what have you. The most amazing thing is that we were paid to tour Italy and make notes on style etc... because of up coming projects. Many of the projects are private. Some have been viewed by Presidents etc because some the clients held fund raisers etc.

In the end the most rewarding thing about that work is that you are in a position to experience what the greats were up to when they had an overwhelming commission like the Sistine Chapel or the Bronze Horse... etc.

 

[fuzzyfelt]

Yes, here's the whole enchilada.

http://www.gormanstudios.com/

That looks incredible!

I was looking around on ebay (again), and I saw this painting in the listings view. I thought 'whoa'-- a fantasy/surreal piece of a 'portrait' with an owl's head.

Great observation! Looks a bit like an animated cat to me.

 

[fuzzyfelt]

I thought I'd post some 'art' that I've collected:

Nice, especially the sea-scape.

Crocheted hyperbolic coral, and a link to lessons in crocheting non-Euclidian space at home, at the Hayward.

http://londonist.com/2008/06/preview_the_hyperbolic_crochet_cora.php

 

[rewebster]

Here's a nice hand colored pencil signed engraving printed/dated 1887 I picked up not too long ago:

its a nice size too--the image size is 14.5 x 23 inches, the overall size (thats including the frame) is 23 x 33 inches.

 

[baywax]

Here's a nice hand colored pencil signed engraving printed/dated 1887 I picked up not too long ago:

its a nice size too--the image size is 14.5 x 23 inches, the overall size (thats including the frame) is 23 x 33 inches.

Thats very nice rewebster... its practically photographic. Shades of Maxfield Parish to come.!

 

[rewebster]

here's a close up showing the well done hand coloring on the engraving

 

[baywax]

Absolute genius!

 

[lisab]

Here's a nice hand colored pencil signed engraving printed/dated 1887 I picked up not too long ago:

its a nice size too--the image size is 14.5 x 23 inches, the overall size (thats including the frame) is 23 x 33 inches.

Errr...is that a beer bottle opener in the lower right corner of the frame?

 

[rewebster]

Errr...is that a beer bottle opener in the lower right corner of the frame?

oh, yeah...





its one of those almost hidden sublime subliminal images---to the thinking that everything looks a little bit better when you've been drinking or thinking about alcohol