Where do CTC's come from/ How do I interpret these tensors?

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In summary, the Einstein tensor and the stress energy momentum tensor for the Godel solution to the Einstein field equations contain all force terms, except for the angular velocity terms. Every other element was 0. The tensor also contains closed time-like curves. If you want to warp a region of space time into a Godel space time, then you would need to apply a force that is equivalent in magnitude to the elements in the stress energy tensor in the directions that said elements represent.
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I recently derived the Einstein tensor and the stress energy momentum tensor for the Godel solution to the Einstein field equations. Now as usual I will give you the page where I got my line element from so you can have a reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel_metric

Here is what I got for my Einstein tensor Gμν:

G00 , G11 , and G22 all equal 1/2
G03 and G30 = ex / 2
G33= (3/4) e2x

Every other element was 0.

As a result of this being the Einstein tensor, the stress energy momentum tensor Tμν is as follows:

T00 , T11 , and T22 all equal c4/(16πG)
T03 and T30 = ( c4ex) / (16πG)
T33= (3c4e2x)/ (32πG)

Every other element was 0.

Now my research has told me that this metric contains closed time-like curves within it. Can someone please tell me how these tensors showcase the possibility of closed time-like curves? I suppose what I really need is a solid understanding of how to interpret the physical implications of these general relativistic tensors.

I notice that when you do dimensional analysis on my stress energy tensor, you'll find that it contains all force terms (assuming that the exponential terms are unit-less constants since the number e itself is a constant, correct me if I am wrong).

Does this mean that if I want to warp a region of space time into a Godel space time, then I would need to apply a force that is equivalent in magnitude to the elements in my stress energy tensor in the directions that said elements represent?

In other words, does this mean that I would have to apply the following forces in the following directions:

c4/(16πG) Newtons in the temporal direction, the xx direction, and the yy direction

( c4ex) / (16πG) Newtons in the time-z direction and the z-time direction

(3c4e2x)/ (32πG) Newtons in the zz direction

If my interpretation is correct, how exactly would one apply a force in the temporal direction considering that the temporal dimension is time itself?

Also, I notice that the angular velocity (ω) terms that I started out with just totally disappeared by the time I got to the Einstein tensor (though this may have to do with the fact that my tensors are in a coordinate basis). What becomes of these? Surely angular velocity has significance in interpreting the physical implications of these tensors (especially if this metric contains closed time-like curves).

Finally, what exactly do the Einstein tensor elements tell you about space-time curvature? This Einstein tensor in particular contains all constants.

Please help understand the physical meanings of these tensors, as well as where the CTC's come from. Thank you.
 
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I have no idea how you can look at a stress energy tensor or metric and see whether it contains CTCs, without finding them somehow. However, if your question is simply to exhibit them for this metric, the following writeup, on p.6, shows this in a quite simple way:

http://www.math.nyu.edu/~momin/stuff/grpaper.pdf
 
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I never studied the Gödel metric, to be honest, but I am familiar with the van Stockum dust solution. In this metric, it's quite easy to detect the CTC and also the solution itself (more precisely, something similar to it) seems to have some physical plausibility (at least when compared to the Gödel solution).

The general form of a metric that is both stationary and axisymmetric is (the Weyl-Papapetrou form):

$$
g=H(\mathrm{d}r\otimes\mathrm{d}r+\mathrm{d}z\otimes\mathrm{d}z)+L\mathrm{d}\varphi\otimes\mathrm{d}\varphi+M\mathrm{d}\varphi\otimes\mathrm{d}t-F\mathrm{d}t\otimes\mathrm{d}t
$$

where the coordinates used here have interpretations analogous to those of the usual cylindrical coordinates. In particular, ##0\leq\varphi\leq2\pi## and the curves with ##
r=constant,t=constant,z=constant
## are closed curves.

If we take the tanget vector field to these curves, the inner product of this vector field with itself is given by ##g_{\varphi\varphi}=L##.

Intuitively, like in flat spacetime (where ##g_{\varphi\varphi}=r^{2}>0##), one expects these closed curves to be spacelike. Nevertheless, there are solutions of the EFE in which ##g_{\varphi\varphi}<0## in some region, i.e., the tangent field is timelike and thus these closed curves become closed timelike curves.

An example is the van Stockum dust solution, where the SET is that of an infinitely long, rigid dust cylinder (of ordinary matter) rotating with angular velocity ##\omega##. In the interior, ##g_{\varphi\varphi}=L=r^{2}(1-\omega^{2}r^{2})##. So, if the boundary of the cylinder extends that far, the closed curves considered above become timelike when ##r>\frac{1}{\omega}##.

It's conjectured that the case for the finite cylinder also contains CTC. So, why people is not building their own time machines at home? after all, all you need is a rotating cylinder.

The detail is that these solutions describe eternal cylinders, i.e., in the solution, the rotating cylinder always existed, there's nothing about its creation. If you include the creation of the cylinder, then the EFE require exotic matter for this.

Check this paper by Kip Thorne for a detailed and general study of the physical feasibility of CTC: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~kip/scripts/ClosedTimelikeCurves-II121.pdf
 
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I have no idea how you can look at a stress energy tensor or metric and see whether it contains CTCs, without finding them somehow. However, if your question is simply to exhibit them for this metric, the following writeup, on p.6, shows this in a quite simple way:

http://www.math.nyu.edu/~momin/stuff/grpaper.pdf
Thanks for the link. I was reading it and I must ask: What is εμijk? The pdf does not define that term nor how to calculate it (if it is something that must be calculated).

Also, when I calculate aijk, wouldn't I have to take the cross product first and then do the dot product afterwards?
 
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What is εμijk?
See Levi-Civita symbol. In particular, see the subsection on "Levi-Civita tensors".
 
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What you're trying to do is infer global properties from the curvature. There are general techniques for doing this, e.g., Myers's theorem in Riemannian geometry, but I don't know much about them. Historically I think these techniques were developed relatively late (Myers's theorem is probably ca. 1940), so I don't think Godel would have used them. Ca. 1916-1960, I think the methods used for finding solutions to the Einstein field equations were that people simply played around with concrete coordinate systems.
 
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I thought of one general test: the Kip Thorne test. Google Kip Thorne + the name of the metric. If Kip Thorne wrote about it, it probably contains either CTCs or worm holes :oldlaugh:
 
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FAQ: Where do CTC's come from/ How do I interpret these tensors?

Where do CTC's (Connectionist Temporal Classifiers) come from?

CTC's were first introduced in 2006 by Alex Graves et al. as a way to train recurrent neural networks for speech recognition tasks. They are based on the concept of sequence alignment and were originally used for handwriting recognition.

How do I interpret CTC tensors?

CTC tensors are typically interpreted as probabilities of a sequence of labels, with each label representing a specific category or class. The values in the tensor correspond to the likelihood of each label occurring at each time step in the input sequence. The highest probability label at each time step is then used to construct the final output sequence.

What is the purpose of using CTC's?

CTC's are primarily used for sequence prediction tasks, such as speech recognition, handwriting recognition, and language translation. They allow for the efficient training of recurrent neural networks by avoiding the need for aligned input-output pairs, which can be difficult to obtain in real-world datasets.

Can CTC's be applied to other types of data?

Yes, CTC's can be applied to any type of sequential data, not just speech or handwriting. They have been successfully used in tasks such as text classification, music generation, and video activity recognition. As long as the data can be represented as a sequence of labels, CTC's can be used.

Are there any limitations to using CTC's?

One limitation of CTC's is that they can only handle fixed-length input sequences. This means that data preprocessing is often necessary to ensure all input sequences are of the same length. Additionally, CTC's may struggle with long sequences or sequences with complex patterns, as they rely on the highest probability label at each time step and may miss important information in the data.

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