Which music do you dislike the most?

[Aufbauwerk 2045]

Finding out that Capt Beefheart is a musical genius. While most folks could not stand his art because of pre-programmed taste buds in their brain.

I kinda equate this thread to flavors of icecream, versions of linux, type of motorcycle, bicycle, or car. Druthers.

Me? I can listen to Taureg Nomad desert muscians. Rock and Roll. Rap. Country. Bluegrass. Big Band. Classical. Opera. You name it. I play it in my motorcycle shop to make the work go easier and faster. It does something to my body to calm tension and get into a flow. My inner emotions that day will determine the play list. I keep a 200 watt per channel Linux streaming computer with a ton of .pls and .mtu files on hand that hook up to worldwide streaming radio stations. Here is a example

http://www.radionovak.com/

But then. I don't over think these things.
You can guess, I guess, my vote goes on the last choice under " Heavy Metal "

May I ask why you do not like Heavy Metal? You like so many other types of music. Is there a particular Heavy Metal band in particular that you do not like? Just curious, not arguing at all! :)

 

[Asymptotic]

Finding out that Capt Beefheart is a musical genius. While most folks could not stand his art because of pre-programmed taste buds in their brain.

When I was fifteen two of us walked from band practice into town proper, and bought the only Beefheart album on the House of Wax's shelves - "Trout Mask Replica". We were a cover band playing The Beatles, Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Lynyrd Skynyrd and other staples of that time, and after I'd gone home and put it on the turntable my first thought was, "Fourteen-ninety-five blown to hell!", and then shoved it into the record cabinet.

Fast-forward to a fall day spent between writing an English 101 composition and unjamming keys in our cranky old Royal typewriter, hard up for something new to listen to in the background, and giving Trout Mask another chance. For the first few passes through the record changer it remained caca cacophonous, but after several more my feet had fallen into tapping, and head bopping.

It just took me a while to find the groove.

 

[DennisN]

Zero votes so far for classical, romantic and rock and roll, so here's music for you all :

Electric Light Orchestra - Roll Over Beethoven (Live 1976)


Chuck Berry - Roll Over Beethoven
(which actually is one of the first rock and roll songs ever done)

 

[symbolipoint]

That starts at 8 beats per measure with a definite long rhythm but later it all changes. I stopped analyzing after one minute. (Refering to the captain beefhart)

 

[Ucha]

Appreciate the last option, I think all music has something of value

 

[pinball1970]

Even hip-hop can be fantastic if you know who to listen to

In the words of Freddie Mercury from Bohemian rhapsody, "No no no no no no no."

 

[pinball1970]

Is RAP the same as hip hop? Not sure, they are guys with no musical ability talking over some beat thing/ sample- ZERO to do with creative original music

A popular drum sample is when the Levee breaks (john Bonham Led Zep) its not surprising really, he used a 26 inch Ludwig bass drum and experimented with different sounds on his snare and got that sound purportedly by setting his drums up on a spiral stair case. He had power, energy, creativity, technique, knowledge and above all bags of TALENT.

 

[DennisN]

No music should be banned. Even hip-hop can be fantastic if you know who to listen to. Anything mainstream is total garbage. But there are plenty of rappers that are really poets.

Currently Hip-hop has 13 votes, Anything Lip-Synched has 9 votes and Atonal 8 votes.
I am not a big fan of hip-hop, and I seldom listen to it, but I think there are some very good hip-hop songs, e.g. from the early 80s, so I feel very prompted to post a couple of good ones. And I know some very annoying atonal/contemporary pieces, so I will try to find some of those too...

 

[DennisN]

Some hip-hop I like:

Grandmaster Flash: The Message
- early influential hip-hop from 1982


Beastie Boys - Sabotage (Live on David Letterman, 1994)
(edit: though they are more a crossover between rap and rock)
- darn, this is so intense and "in your face", one chord only and I remember being blown away by it when it was released, I've always loved that song...


Eminem - Lose Yourself
- I think this is a very suggestive track

 

[symbolipoint]

Is RAP the same as hip hop? Not sure, they are guys with no musical ability talking over some beat thing/ sample- ZERO to do with creative original music

A popular drum sample is when the Levee breaks (john Bonham Led Zep) its not surprising really, he used a 26 inch Ludwig bass drum and experimented with different sounds on his snare and got that sound purportedly by setting his drums up on a spiral stair case. He had power, energy, creativity, technique, knowledge and above all bags of TALENT.

Currently Hip-hop has 13 votes, Anything Lip-Synched has 9 votes and Atonal 8 votes.
I am not a big fan of hip-hop, and I seldom listen to it, but I think there are some very good hip-hop songs, e.g. from the early 80s, so I feel very prompted to post a couple of good ones. And I know some very annoying atonal/contemporary pieces, so I will try to find some of those too...

One should distinguish between art which the artists intend to be music and performance art which the artists do not intended to be music.

You can try to decide for yourself: Is "Random Drug Testing", by Cub Koda, music or not? If not, then does it really need to be?

 

[DennisN]

You can try to decide for yourself: Is "Random Drug Testing", by Cub Koda, music or not?

I'd say a definitive yes, that's music.

 

[symbolipoint]

I'd say a definitive yes, that's music.

I can understand that. I said maybe it might not be "music", since the melody and use of chording for harmony was so minimal; but the piece does have some. The piece was done mostly in the style of a field holler and used no constructed instruments of any kind; but just relies mostly on poetry and rhythm (and percussion of clapping).

 

[DennisN]

"The Most Unwanted Song" is a novelty song created by artists Komar and Melamid and composer Dave Soldier in 1997.

Darn it, that is SO funny, thanks for posting! I'm going to use that song to terrorize my friends.

 

[pinball1970]

Some hip-hop I like:Eminem - Lose Yourself
- I think this is a very suggestive track

Eminem is very talented, a poet, social commentator, gets to heart of the matter. Brilliant. Also what he does rhythmically with words and phrases to fit the timings is amazing. Words that should not rhyme do, the ends of one word with the beginning of another to form a unique phonetic is also very creative to make these unusual rhymes all fit together.

Its genius.

Having said that I still think RAP is garbage, I hate it.

...besides Eminem.

 

[pinball1970]

Darn it, that is SO funny, thanks for posting! I'm going to use that song to terrorize my friends.

“Whats a matter you (HEY)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs was a track that made me run out of the room in despair.

Also “my ding aling” Chuck Berry and the whining, “There’s no one quite like Grandma” & “Grandma we love you” By the same awful school choir.
Its particularly annoying that “Blah …Grandma” kept John Lennon at number in December 1980.
Having said that the Bonzo dog Do da band’s, “Im the urban spaceman baby,” is brilliant, (Monty Python’s Neil Innes) as is “they’re coming to take me away” (ha ha)I think the worst music around at the moment (besides RAP) is that awful synth thing they keep overlaying on the vocal in pop songs, what the hell is that!?
Boring uncreative formulaic predictable production and tune PLUS this stupid synthy robotic vocal every other phrase.Stevie Wonder did this in the 1970s with his keyboard somehow sampling his voice and using that timbre to go through the keys- very clever BUT also very gimmicky gadgetry so I think he used it once.
In concert in 2008 he used it for PART of one song, once because he is Stevie Wonder a legend and he can do what he wants, he did it first.

Now it’s being used in everything, I HATE it.

 

[DennisN]

I think the worst music around at the moment (besides RAP) is that awful synth thing they keep overlaying on the vocal in pop songs, what the hell is that!? Boring uncreative formulaic predictable production and tune PLUS this stupid synthy robotic vocal every other phrase.

If I interpret what you mean correctly, the truth is actually even worse - it is an artifact of autotuning (computer aided tuning):

Now it’s being used in everything, I HATE it.

I agree, I am also sick and annoyed of hearing it.

 

[BWV]

Here is someone that could have used autotune



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins
Florence Foster Jenkins (born Narcissa Florence Foster; July 19, 1868 – November 26, 1944) was an American socialite and amateur soprano who was known and mocked for her flamboyant performance costumes and notably poor singing ability. The historian Stephen Pile ranked her "the world's worst opera singer". "No one, before or since," he wrote, "has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation."[1]

Despite (or perhaps because of) her technical incompetence, she became a prominent musical cult figure in New York City during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. Cole Porter, Gian Carlo Menotti, Lily Pons, Sir Thomas Beecham, and other celebrities were fans.[2][3] Enrico Caruso is said to have "regarded her with affection and respect".[4] The poet William Meredith wrote that what Jenkins provided "... was never exactly an aesthetic experience, or only to the degree that an early Christian among the lions provided aesthetic experience; it was chiefly immolatory, and Madame Jenkins was always eaten, in the end."[5]

 

[BWV]

As a classical music geek, there is nothing I hate worse than cheesy pop lite-classical crap like


or

 

[BWV]

Compare Clayderman's butchery to the same piece played by a master:



or

 

[OCR]

Here is someone that could have used autotune

Lol... .

 

[DennisN]

As a classical music geek, there is nothing I hate worse than cheesy pop lite-classical crap like

I agree, those "interpretations" are quite annoying.

Compare Clayderman's butchery to the same piece played by a master

The cheesy classical popversion is like pouring sugar all over a fantastic, expensive meal and then eating it with plastic cutlery.

 

[DennisN]

“Whats a matter you (HEY)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs was a track that made me run out of the room in despair.

Wow, I've forgot that song, but when I heard it I definitely remembered it. It's not in any of my playlists .

 

[Asymptotic]

Here is someone that could have used autotune



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Foster_Jenkins
Florence Foster Jenkins (born Narcissa Florence Foster; July 19, 1868 – November 26, 1944) was an American socialite and amateur soprano who was known and mocked for her flamboyant performance costumes and notably poor singing ability. The historian Stephen Pile ranked her "the world's worst opera singer". "No one, before or since," he wrote, "has succeeded in liberating themselves quite so completely from the shackles of musical notation."[1]

Despite (or perhaps because of) her technical incompetence, she became a prominent musical cult figure in New York City during the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s. Cole Porter, Gian Carlo Menotti, Lily Pons, Sir Thomas Beecham, and other celebrities were fans.[2][3] Enrico Caruso is said to have "regarded her with affection and respect".[4] The poet William Meredith wrote that what Jenkins provided "... was never exactly an aesthetic experience, or only to the degree that an early Christian among the lions provided aesthetic experience; it was chiefly immolatory, and Madame Jenkins was always eaten, in the end."[5]

Flo Fo puts me in mind of The Shaggs.



Bringing Cub Koda again into the mix, his take was, "There's an innocence to these songs and their performances that's both charming and unsettling. Hacked-at drumbeats, whacked-around chords, songs that seem to have little or no meter to them ... being played on out-of-tune, pawn-shop-quality guitars all converge, creating dissonance and beauty, chaos and tranquility, causing any listener coming to this music to rearrange any pre-existing notions about the relationships between talent, originality, and ability. There is no album you might own that sounds remotely like this one."

 

[symbolipoint]

Flo Fo puts me in mind of The Shaggs.



Bringing Cub Koda again into the mix, his take was, "There's an innocence to these songs and their performances that's both charming and unsettling. Hacked-at drumbeats, whacked-around chords, songs that seem to have little or no meter to them ... being played on out-of-tune, pawn-shop-quality guitars all converge, creating dissonance and beauty, chaos and tranquility, causing any listener coming to this music to rearrange any pre-existing notions about the relationships between talent, originality, and ability. There is no album you might own that sounds remotely like this one."

Sometimes, certain people are expecting performance art which comes primarily in the form of sound, to BE music, but that art may have been formed in such a way to INCLUDE music, but also parts which are NOT music but to fit around in between the music. There are a few other examples of this in the works of Brownsville Station, and of Houserockers (both groups of Cub Koda).

 

[BillTre]

Sometimes, certain people are expecting performance art which comes primarily in the form of sound, to BE music, but that art may have been formed in such a way to INCLUDE music, but also parts which are NOT music but to fit around in between the music.

This reminds me of some of the "music" used in movies.
For example, the original Blade Runner movie used music and sounds mixed together in support of of scenes (and in time with the music) where it might be difficult to decide which sound were Vangelis music or just ambient sounds.

 

[BWV]

what is the difference between 'sound' and 'music'?

 

[symbolipoint]

what is the difference between 'sound' and 'music'?

Too obvious

 

[BWV]

No, It’ not obvious at all

 

[symbolipoint]

BWV,
I just went through that link to JOHN CAGE: Imaginary Landscape No.4 ( but did not yet play the other link video). Much as I said previously, "Too obvious"; You can decide if you found any music in the Imaginary Landscape video or not. To ME, it contained none of any music. Maybe another more knowledgeable forum member having played that video could convince us otherwise.

 

[BWV]

You say its "too obvious" -which just means you operate on a definition of music that you cannot articulate, kind of like the "porn - I can't define it but know it when I see it" quip.

 

[symbolipoint]

You say its "too obvious" -which just means you operate on a definition of music that you cannot articulate, kind of like the "porn - I can't define it but know it when I see it" quip.

What is music is generally easy enough to recognize. It may depend on culture, but I assume not. I am expecting the more truly knowledgeable musically educated members to respond to this.

I can give this comment, since I just now did listen to that metronomes video. THAT was not music. Some interesting things occurred at 3:50, 5:00, and 5:48; but that video contained no music at all. Yes, I should say, one knows that something is music when he hears it. Trouble is, something may be music to one person but be NOT music to another person.

 

[BWV]

But if Gyorgy Ligeti, one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century, thought his metronome piece was music, who is in a position to argue?

Is this music?

 

[DennisN]

Is this music?

Sounds a bit like my vacuum cleaner. But I prefer my vacuum cleaner.

 

[symbolipoint]

...
Is this music?

Yes, okay; it is music. Strange music but music.

 

[DennisN]

Ok, so we have now a couple of fine examples of very weird, and fun, music in this thread, so I will contribute with this piece:

Symphony No. 9 by Beethoven stretched out to 24 hours.

Performed by the New York Philharmonic
Conducted by Leonard Bernstein
Original length: 15 minutes, 25 seconds

I used the Paulstretch effect in Audacity and stretched this by a factor of 21. I tried to get this pretty close to Leif Inge's Nine Beet Stretch length (which inspired this project and channel), and the length of the whole symphony came out to 24 hours, 35 minutes, and 43 seconds, with a stretch factor of 21 the way through, so this first movement is at the rate of the whole symphony being roughly a day long.

Part 1 (5 hours, 25 minutes, 12 seconds) :


All parts are here:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Beethoven+-+Symphony+#9+——+TIME-STRETCHED