Why do we need to take the absolute value of charge in an electron gun?

In summary, the conversation discusses the solution to a problem involving electric potential and energy conservation. The solution uses a negative potential to accelerate electrons and increases their kinetic energy. The reason for this is that the electric potential energy of the electrons decreases as they move to a higher potential.
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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
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For part (a) of this problem,
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The solution is,
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However, why did they need to take the absolute value of the charge? I thought they could keep the original signs as shown below:

Using energy conservation, the electric force dose internal work transferring electric potential energy into kinetic energy
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Thanks for any help!
 
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The velocity before the electron transited the potential gradient was zero. Your energy equation should read ##\Delta KE+\Delta EPE=0##.
To accelerate the electrons, the gun must have a negative potential, so ##\Delta V=+2500V##.
This gives ##\Delta KE=-q\Delta V##.
The given solution used the knowledge that the field increases the KE in a different way. Instead of taking the trouble to manage the signs correctly, it just forced everything positive.
 
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haruspex said:
To accelerate the electrons, the gun must have a negative potential, so ##\Delta V=+2500V##.
Thank you @haruspex! Are you saying that V_i = -2500V and V_f = 0? Why must gun have negative potential and therefore Delta V = 2500V?
 
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Callumnc1 said:
Why must gun have negative potential
So as to repel the electrons.
 
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haruspex said:
So as to repel the electrons.
Thanks for the reply @haruspex! I'm assuming that at V_i = -2500V there is no protons and a finite number of electrons. And at V_f = 0 there is no electrons and protons, correct?

However, if the gun has negative potential, then the electric potential energy of the electrons will increase over the gun as delta V is positive. However, how is this possible since the kinetic energy also increases? Where dose this energy that turns into kinetic energy come from?
 
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Callumnc1 said:
if the gun has negative potential, then the electric potential energy of the electrons will increase over the gun as delta V is positive
Don’t confuse electric potential with electric potential energy.
When a negative charge moves to a higher potential it loses electric potential energy. ##\Delta E=q\Delta V##.
 
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haruspex said:
Don’t confuse electric potential with electric potential energy.
When a negative charge moves to a higher potential it loses electric potential energy. ##\Delta E=q\Delta V##.
Oh got it now! Thanks again @haruspex!
 
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Related to Why do we need to take the absolute value of charge in an electron gun?

Why do we need to take the absolute value of charge in an electron gun?

We take the absolute value of charge in an electron gun to ensure that we are considering the magnitude of the charge without regard to its sign. This is crucial because the physical effects such as the force exerted by electric fields depend on the magnitude of the charge, not its polarity.

How does the absolute value of charge affect the acceleration of electrons in an electron gun?

The absolute value of charge affects the acceleration of electrons because the force exerted by an electric field on a charged particle is proportional to the magnitude of the charge. By using the absolute value, we ensure that we correctly calculate the force and therefore the acceleration of the electrons.

Is the direction of electron movement influenced by taking the absolute value of charge?

No, the direction of electron movement is determined by the sign of the charge and the direction of the electric field. Taking the absolute value of charge is used for calculating the magnitude of forces and accelerations, but the direction is still governed by the actual sign of the charge.

Does taking the absolute value of charge simplify calculations in an electron gun?

Yes, taking the absolute value of charge simplifies calculations because it allows us to focus on the magnitude of the charge without worrying about the sign. This is particularly useful in equations where the force or energy depends on the magnitude of the charge.

Can we ignore the sign of the charge when designing an electron gun?

No, we cannot ignore the sign of the charge when designing an electron gun. While the absolute value of the charge is important for calculating magnitudes, the sign of the charge determines the direction of forces and movement. Both aspects must be considered for accurate design and operation.

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