Why Does the Helium Wavefunction Require 9 Coordinates Instead of 6?

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The discussion centers on the confusion regarding the wavefunction of Helium, which has 9 coordinates instead of the expected 6. The wavefunction describes the movement of electrons around the nucleus, with each electron requiring three spatial coordinates (X, Y, Z). For Helium, with two electrons, this initially suggests 6 coordinates. However, the additional 3 coordinates account for the position of the nucleus, which is relevant in multi-electron systems. Unlike hydrogen, where the problem can be simplified by focusing on the relative motion between the nucleus and the electron, Helium's two-electron system necessitates a more complex treatment. Although the nucleus is often assumed stationary due to the electrons' high speed, its inclusion in the wavefunction is essential for accurate modeling, leading to the total of 9 coordinates. The approximation that the nucleus does not move introduces a minimal error, but it is still significant in the context of multi-electron atoms.
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I'm doing about wavefunctions for my course, I'm a bit confused as to why the wavefunction of Helium has 9 coordinates and time and not 6 coordinates and time. As far as I was aware the wave function was used to describe the movement of electrons around the nucleus of an atom, and it was assumed the nucleus was stationary due to the high speed of the electrons. If the electrons can move in three dimensions, X,Y and Z then there should be three coordinates for one electron. Helium has two electrons so there should be 6 coordinates. Why is it that the wavefunction of Helium actually has 9 coordinates? Do you infact need to include coordinates of the nucleus? If anyone knows where I'm going wrong, please point it out to me.
 
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As far as I was aware the wave function was used to describe the movement of electrons around the nucleus of an atom, and it was assumed the nucleus was stationary due to the high speed of the electrons.
For hydrogen, you don't need that assumption: You can separate the problem into a motion of the center of mass (and ignore this) and a relative motion between nucleus and electron - similar to the Kepler problem in classical physics. With 2 electrons, this is no longer possible. I would expect a good approximation with the assumption that the nucleus does not move (with an error of ##\frac{m_e}{m_\alpha} \approx 0.01\%##), however.
 
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