Why Methanol is Best for ASA Titration w/ NaOH

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Methanol is preferred over ether or chloroform as a solvent for titrating acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) with NaOH due to its polarity, which allows NaOH to dissolve effectively. While phenolphthalein is soluble in methanol and provides a clear visual indication of pH changes, it is insoluble in water, necessitating its use in alcoholic solutions. Concerns were raised about potential errors in titration readings if NaOH dissolves in methanol instead of reacting with ASA, which could lead to inaccurate measurements. The discussion also highlights that phenolphthalein remains purple at pH levels above 8.2, indicating that excess NaOH may be added, which could further complicate the titration results. Overall, the choice of methanol as a solvent is crucial for accurate titration of ASA with NaOH.
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Why would methanol be a better solvent for ASA compared to ether or chloroform, when NaOH is used for titration?

I think I have an idea why:

NaOH is only soluble in polar solvents. Methanol is polar, while ether and chloroform are not. . . .

Does this have anything to do with it.
 
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Do you want us to guess that ASA symbolizes acetyl salicylic acid?
 
Yeah, I know it's an acid. . .

"The CTC handbook lists ASA to be soluble with alcohols, ethers and chlorofoam"

If the solvent is not a problematic variable, then it has to be the titration substance (NaOH)

For this particular lab, NaOH is the reason ethers and chlorofoams are not acceptable as solvents . . .
 
Phenolphthalein was used to indicate the moment the solution became basic.

Phenolphthalein is soluble in methanol, but is it soluble in chloroform or ether?
 
Phenolphthalein is pretty well visible in very low concentrations, so its solubility is not a factor here (it is not a factor even during titration in water).
 
From wiki

"Phenolphthalein is insoluble in water, and is usually dissolved in alcohols for use in experiments. It is itself a weak acid, which can lose H+ ions in solution. The phenolphthalein molecule is colorless. However, the phenolphthalein ion is pink. When a base is added to the phenolphthalein, the molecule ⇌ ions equilibrium shifts to the right, leading to more ionization as H+ ions are removed. This is predicted by Le Chatelier's principle."

It says it is usually dissolved in alcohol (such as methanol). There has to be a reason for this.
 
rss14 said:
It says it is usually dissolved in alcohol (such as methanol). There has to be a reason for this.

An obvious one - it has to be added to water solution, but it is insoluble in water. Hence it is dissolved in methanol (or ethanol) and you add it to water in form of alcoholic solution. This way after dilution of alcohol you end with water pheolpthalein solution, could be also with a very fine supsension. That's enough.
 
And another question. Can the methanol provide a source of error? Can a certain volume of NaOH dissolve into methanol instead of react with ASA to neutralize it? Will this lead to a higher reading of NaOH used to neutralize ASA?
 
Borek said:
An obvious one - it has to be added to water solution, but it is insoluble in water. Hence it is dissolved in methanol (or ethanol) and you add it to water in form of alcoholic solution. This way after dilution of alcohol you end with water pheolpthalein solution, could be also with a very fine supsension. That's enough.

So this same process can be done by chloroform and ether?
 
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Another question:
Phenolphthalein stays purple when the pH is between 8.2 and 12. When NaOH completely neutralizes ASA, the pH will be 7. This means an excess of NaOH (the base) had to be added until the solid purple appears.

This is a source of error correct? A universal indicator should have been used ?
 
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rss14 said:
Another question:
Phenolphthalein stays purple when the pH is between 8.2 and 12. When NaOH completely neutralizes ASA, the pH will be 7. This means an excess of NaOH (the base) had to be added until the solid purple appears.

This is a source of error correct? A universal indicator should have been used ?

Nvm, ASA is a weak acid, and the equivalence point is at a pH of 8.2.

Can someone please answer my other question though?
 
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What do you mean by "NaOH will dissolve into methanol". Try to precisely describe the titration set up and where this methanol is.
 
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