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... I stand by my previous statement.arildno said:
William Bennett: you could abort every black baby
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In summary: It's not like he's the only one, so why give him a platform? And then to have a Howard Stern appearance to play the clip of the statement is just the icing on the cake. Typical republicans.In summary, William Bennett said that if we wanted to reduce crime, we could abort every black baby in the country. He claimed this would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but crime rates would go down. David Gergen, a seasoned Democratic insider, lost it and called Bennett a pompous ass. Bennett responded by announcing that this would be his last appearance on the show. James Watt, a republican who worked under Reagan,
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Well, I'm not quite sure you got the fact that my post was a reply to jimmie's idea that we need to remove all value-assignments on inanimate objects in order to remove crime.Smurf said:
I can't see that my post is very different in content from your own 100, in which you object to jimmie's idea yourself.
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The being that was able to purge ALL thought from him, is able to purge not just one particular thought from all other human beings but ALL thought from all other human beings.
It was possible to wipe the slate clean. I know.
No, in the High bandwidth domain, such individuals and the like are EXTINCT.
Now we're getting somewhere. You know, for the record, I am aware that many individuals expect an other individual, designated as a "Buddha".
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No comment needed.jimmie said:No, in the High bandwidth domain, such individuals and the like are EXTINCT.
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I guess not because what you have been saying is that there is no such thing as value when what you meant was value exist if and only if people have no wants. To this end I would agree and once again I think it's almost to trivial to even bother mentioning...but don't blame me for misunderstanding you!jimmie said:
Unless I am still not understanding what you're saying this is just BS...
If you have no wants then you do nothing...you have to want something before you will do anything. If you do anything at all then you wanted to do it...people would not exist if they did not want. It is as natural and healthy as breathing. Even in attempting to free your self of wants, you are in fact pursuing a want and creating something of value that you wish to achieve.
This makes no sense...what do you mean reality is everywhere?
Define what you mean by "conquers their own self." This entire idea sound internally inconsistent.
There is no self? ... this makes no sense at all.
I suppose you're this super genious who has it all figured out and I am just suppose to believe you...yeah right.
I don't mean any offense it's just your statements seem so strange I wondered if you might not be under the influence of some kind of medication.
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An analogy.
A worker with a screwgun, a regular screwgun with a cord, goes about the job, doing his work. Stepping over this, ducking under that, walking around that column to get over there, reaching around this to screw that screw down there.
After about 1 hour, the cord is tangled around everything, everywhere he WAS, and, he is not able to progress any further because the cord will become unplugged.
So now, the worker is obligated to stop working just to reign in control of the cord, and plug it into a location closer to where he is now working.
All the while, an other worker is doing the exact same job with a cordless screwgun. That worker is not limited by a cord, and there is no stress caused by the cord/self being wrapped around objects.
The individual with the cordless screw gun used to be an individual with the corded screw gun, but that individual conquered his self and has shed the cord that had anchored him to the low bandwidth domain. He is now in the high bandwidth domain, surrounded by individuals in the low bandwidth domain, with corded screw guns.
If you have never used a screw gun, believe me, cordless is the ONLY way to go.
Just out of curiousity: If I left my family, never to return, and gave away all monies I have, LOTS of monies, for the sole purpose of teaching individuals such as you that in fact I do have it 'all figured out', and asked for nothing in return, and, you were aware that I left my family to never return and gave away all my monies, then, do you suppose...you would believe me?
A worker with a screwgun, a regular screwgun with a cord, goes about the job, doing his work. Stepping over this, ducking under that, walking around that column to get over there, reaching around this to screw that screw down there.
After about 1 hour, the cord is tangled around everything, everywhere he WAS, and, he is not able to progress any further because the cord will become unplugged.
So now, the worker is obligated to stop working just to reign in control of the cord, and plug it into a location closer to where he is now working.
All the while, an other worker is doing the exact same job with a cordless screwgun. That worker is not limited by a cord, and there is no stress caused by the cord/self being wrapped around objects.
The individual with the cordless screw gun used to be an individual with the corded screw gun, but that individual conquered his self and has shed the cord that had anchored him to the low bandwidth domain. He is now in the high bandwidth domain, surrounded by individuals in the low bandwidth domain, with corded screw guns.
If you have never used a screw gun, believe me, cordless is the ONLY way to go.
Just out of curiousity: If I left my family, never to return, and gave away all monies I have, LOTS of monies, for the sole purpose of teaching individuals such as you that in fact I do have it 'all figured out', and asked for nothing in return, and, you were aware that I left my family to never return and gave away all my monies, then, do you suppose...you would believe me?
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My step dad was a contractor...I did plenty of construction work and I totally agree with you.jimmie said:If you have never used a screw gun, believe me, cordless is the ONLY way to go.
I would believe that you believe in your cause...I would believe that you actually posses the courage of your convictions and I would respect you for that.
However, you would still be pursuing a want and there is value in what you do...you cannot make that go away. I understand that superficial things like cars and gold or any of the consumerist crap that is everywhere you look is meaningless and that its value is artificial. I am with you...I moved out to the middle of nowhere just to get away from all of that...
However, there are many things that I value not because I really think they are worth something or that they some how make my life complete. I value them because they are symbolic of something that is not a tangible object…like my feelings for my family.
I also value things for their usefulness...like my car is useful for transportation...a very important thing to me.
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thanks for your input.
the toughest part about being a teacher that is yet to teach, is knowing that the students need to be taught, and that only I can teach them what I know.
And, the process of teaching requires actions, and that the very thought of teaching is/was an action, and that the only reason the students will get taught is because I conquered my self, and hence, all action.
The only way for I to teach the students is to "act out" a pre-determined set actions designed to teach a particular lesson. Sort of like: student presses 'play' and learns. At the time of the 'act', I know it will be an act, and you will know it will be an act, but the 'act' will change you. I do not change.
Anyway, NOW we're getting off topic.
the toughest part about being a teacher that is yet to teach, is knowing that the students need to be taught, and that only I can teach them what I know.
And, the process of teaching requires actions, and that the very thought of teaching is/was an action, and that the only reason the students will get taught is because I conquered my self, and hence, all action.
The only way for I to teach the students is to "act out" a pre-determined set actions designed to teach a particular lesson. Sort of like: student presses 'play' and learns. At the time of the 'act', I know it will be an act, and you will know it will be an act, but the 'act' will change you. I do not change.
Anyway, NOW we're getting off topic.
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I'll hit the topic a bit here before I veer off.
Bennett's comment isn't necessarily racist, but it is a very stupid thing to say. The fact that he thought of it at all suggests that he is racist, and it does project racist thoughts. So, whether or not his comment was meant to be racist, it increases racism.
I agree with jimmie's premise. I've recently come across the knowledge that other people don't necessarily train their minds. I didn't expect them to, but coming across that knowledge as painfully as I recently have made it all too clear. Myself, I can eliminate want fairly easily, and I've only had a few years of self-training.
Individuals mimic other people. If everyone around person X is constantly wanting more stuff, person X will want more stuff.
Thought evolution occurs constantly, so anti-wanting thoughts can come about naturally. Outside influences can also break the status quo.
The argument currently taking hold of this thread is optimism vs. pessimism. It's the same thing with socialism. If everyone was an optimist, the problem would disappear. If you don't believe me, think about how people mimic others. Yes, people will still be aggressive and such, but without overly aggressive peers, violence won't occur. Also, just because someone doesn't appear aggressive doesn't mean they don't feel that way. Subliminal habits are also picked up, if not more-so that obvious ones (subliminal advertisement, for instance). The transition from pessimism to optimism will always be hard because people have to break old habits.
The argument against enlightenment is human nature, right? Humans are predisposed to act very un-enlightened, but they don't indulge overly if others don't.
If someone is chemically imbalanced, these rules have much less hold. From my experience, however, alcohol affects people by putting them into the mind-set that they had while being introduced to alcohol. In the US alcohol is considered a terrible thing and is supressed, so teenagers of course tend to drink it excessively, often with friends. This behavior leads to violence later in life. I've been told that alcoholism isn't a serious problem in some parts of the world that don't consider alcohol to be a terrible vice.
People need to learn that things can, actually, get better.
Bennett's comment isn't necessarily racist, but it is a very stupid thing to say. The fact that he thought of it at all suggests that he is racist, and it does project racist thoughts. So, whether or not his comment was meant to be racist, it increases racism.
I agree with jimmie's premise. I've recently come across the knowledge that other people don't necessarily train their minds. I didn't expect them to, but coming across that knowledge as painfully as I recently have made it all too clear. Myself, I can eliminate want fairly easily, and I've only had a few years of self-training.
Individuals mimic other people. If everyone around person X is constantly wanting more stuff, person X will want more stuff.
Thought evolution occurs constantly, so anti-wanting thoughts can come about naturally. Outside influences can also break the status quo.
The argument currently taking hold of this thread is optimism vs. pessimism. It's the same thing with socialism. If everyone was an optimist, the problem would disappear. If you don't believe me, think about how people mimic others. Yes, people will still be aggressive and such, but without overly aggressive peers, violence won't occur. Also, just because someone doesn't appear aggressive doesn't mean they don't feel that way. Subliminal habits are also picked up, if not more-so that obvious ones (subliminal advertisement, for instance). The transition from pessimism to optimism will always be hard because people have to break old habits.
The argument against enlightenment is human nature, right? Humans are predisposed to act very un-enlightened, but they don't indulge overly if others don't.
If someone is chemically imbalanced, these rules have much less hold. From my experience, however, alcohol affects people by putting them into the mind-set that they had while being introduced to alcohol. In the US alcohol is considered a terrible thing and is supressed, so teenagers of course tend to drink it excessively, often with friends. This behavior leads to violence later in life. I've been told that alcoholism isn't a serious problem in some parts of the world that don't consider alcohol to be a terrible vice.
People need to learn that things can, actually, get better.