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[fresh_42]

Wordle 1 129 4/6

You are cheating. Sphinx has 6 letters!

 

[Orodruin]

You are cheating. Sphinx has 6 letters!

Nonsense. It has 5 letters in Swedish!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,129 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,129 3/6

[POISE]
[LATER] 3 possibilities left: FACET TAKEN CADET
Chose this one because it seems more likely to be a selected word AND the letter D is more popular than F or K

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,129 3/6

 

[kuruman]

Nonsense. It has 5 letters in Swedish!

In Greek also. See here for an informative spelling and pronunciation of the word in various languages. It seems that the juxtaposition of sounds in this word presents a challenge for speakers of East Asian languages who have to separate the juxtaposed consonants with vowels.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,129 3/6

[POISE]
[LATER] 3 possibilities left: FACET TAKEN CADET
Chose this one because it seems more likely to be a selected word AND the letter D is more popular than F or K

As you can see, word 2 returned to me the same pattern as yours (post #4,835) and I was faced with the same 3 choices as you. I chose as you did but for a different reason: the other two words had already been used.

 

[fresh_42]

Nonsense. It has 5 letters in Swedish!

I'm not a fan of replacing the Greek ph with an f. However, I'm not a fan of having to guess Speck in English either, so. Anyway, the pattern of a sfinx was nice.

 

[Orodruin]

I'm not a fan of replacing the Greek ph with an f. However, I'm not a fan of having to guess Speck in English either, so. Anyway, the pattern of a sfinx was nice.

Technically, that’s a Greek $\Phi$ so … one letter …

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,129 4/6

Chose this one because it seems more likely to be a selected word AND the letter D is more popular than F or K

I chose as you did but for a different reason: the other two words had already been used.

Well, if the other two possibilities have already been used, doesn't that show that @jack action 's approach is flawed? By the way, I have followed this approach myself for quite a while, but I'm beginning to see it isn't as justified as I had believed.

Since there are a finite set of possible solution words, and there is no "re-use" of solutions, then all three possibilities will eventually be used as the solution word. None of them really have a "higher probability" than the others.

 

[kuruman]

Well, if the other two possibilities have already been used, doesn't that show that @jack action 's approach is flawed?

I wouldn't call it flawed. Some people choose to ignore the additional information provided every day as a word is moved from the "not used list" and treat each game as a standalone with the same a priori probability every day. Others, like me, use the Bayesian approach and modify not only the a priori probability of the candidates but also the frequency distribution letters in the remaining candidates which is not necessarily the same as the frequency distribution of letters in the entire population of candidates. As someone said in an earlier post, it all depends on what you want to get out of this game.

 

[OmCheeto]

As you can see, word 2 returned to me the same pattern as yours (post #4,835) and I was faced with the same 3 choices as you. I chose as you did but for a different reason: the other two words had already been used.

And according to my list, we are quickly approaching the halfway point of the game:
≈ September 21, 2024

A point where I'm guessing that it will be noticeable that people who keep track of things consistently win, and those that don't, consistently lose.

hmmm.....

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,129 5/6

 

[Mister T]

Wordle 1,129 3/6

 

[kuruman]

A point where I'm guessing that it will be noticeable that people who keep track of things consistently win, and those that don't, consistently lose.

There will be a noticeable difference in the number of tries for a win between those who keep track and those who don't. I am one of the nerds who keep track. To document what you mentioned, I started recording my mean every time the percent of used words increases by 1%. I started at 44% and the next recording will be at 49%. By my reckoning we are now at 48.4% and I hope to establish some sort of baseline before the mean goes down noticeably. The plot so far is shown below. The drop is a statistically insignificant 0.4%.

 

[fresh_42]

I seriously doubt the hypotheses of both of you. My observation was, that the frequency of words in the English language significantly dropped by every new riddle. Whereas the number of possible words shrinks, and there are still hundreds unused, the probability to guess a rarely used word becomes lower so that the expectation value decreases rather than increases.

I mean speck? Seriously? That's a German word.

 

[gmax137]

I wouldn't call it flawed.

Yes, "flawed" bothered me a bit, but I couldn't think of a better word.

Some people choose to ignore the additional information provided every day as a word is moved from the "not used list" and treat each game as a standalone with the same a priori probability every day.

That's my approach. I don't have or keep any lists.

Others, like me, use the Bayesian approach and modify not only the a priori probability of the candidates but also the frequency distribution letters in the remaining candidates which is not necessarily the same as the frequency distribution of letters in the entire population of candidates. As someone said in an earlier post, it all depends on what you want to get out of this game.

Emphasis added -- I have thought about this also. Using the normal "crypto" list (E, T, A, O, I, N, S, R, ....) may not be accurate for the list of remaining solutions. Taken to the extreme where only one word is left, obviously.

 

[Orodruin]

AND the letter D is more popular than F or K

This is irrelevant at that point. It is not more common than F or K in the words you have remaining. I mean, sure, you can use it as an arbitrary strategy, but it will not help (or hinder) at that point.

 

[jack action]

doesn't that show that @jack action 's approach is flawed?

As it was already established in a few previous posts, all 3 possible answers statistically weigh equal value, no matter what; unless you have a list of previous answers (which I don't ... yet).

The point is that I cannot just "pick one". My brain needs to process some information before doing the actual picking. I could have picked the first one on the list. I'm just sharing my method, just for the fun of it.

@kuruman's comment seems to prove I was just lucky.

I'm just wondering how others do their "picking" because there seem to be a lot of lucky people around here.

EDIT: Actually, I lied when I said all 3 possible answers were equivalent because there is one answer that was worth less than the other two, and it did influence me, but I forgot about it when submitting my last post. Choosing TAKEN would have been a mistake as if it wasn't the right answer, it wouldn't have helped me choose between the last two. By choosing incorrectly either CADET or FACET, the answer becomes obvious.

 

[kuruman]

I seriously doubt the hypotheses of both of you.

Why? Maybe you misunderstood what I am saying. In today's word, after my first entry, there were 25 candidates that fit the starting pattern . After excluding the words that have already been used, the number of candidates fitting this pattern was reduced to 11.

My hypothesis is that if I have to choose from 11 candidates instead of 25, my score moves closer to being lower. Furthermore, because today's word is added to the used word list, the next time I see the same pattern (for the same first entry) the number of candidates will be reduced to 10 and then to 9 and so on.

As this reduction happens, it becomes easier to find a filter that discriminates among all candidates and hit the target with fewer tries. My method is not to guess the target word but to eliminate all but the target. For example, if my first entry returns (last letter E), there are 632 words with at least one E but not in position 5. After eliminating the used words, this number reduces to 327. Based on past performance (my mean is 3.4 tries), I expect to get the answer in a total of 3 or 4 tries. Since the last entry must be the target word, this means that I have to find one or maybe two filters to reduce the number of candidates to a final number of no more than 3 candidates. At that point I may have to guess.

So here is the core of my hypothesis: If I have 632 candidates, I will need more filters to apply sequentially than if I have half that many. More filters means a higher number of attempts and a higher score. Conversely, fewer candidates means fewer filters and lower scores.

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,130 3/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 130 4/6

 

[Mister T]

Wordle 1,130 4/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,130 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

I mean speck? Seriously? That's a German word.

This is not the only meaning of speck though. Consider, for example, the meaning of "a speck of dust".

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,130 3/6

[BATON]
[DINER] left are: CORNY HORNY PRONG WRONG CRONY


This lucky streak of mine is becoming ridiculous. Or is it just luck?

I could have tried GAWCY (as suggested by my program) to eliminate candidates. But I really wanted to see what the potential of just guessing can be.

Between the 5 words left:

• I doubted NYT used CORNY and surely not HORNY, so they were out;
• CRONY seems to be a weird word, so not really on my list.

Between the 2 left, I would have bet anything that WRONG has already been used because it is so popular. I almost checked on an online list of past answers but restricted myself from doing so because I wanted to test my instincts. And I got it in 3.

Checking it afterward, WRONG has already been used but so was CORNY.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,130 4/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,130 3/6

SLICK
PREEN I have no idea why I chose this word
I don't think there are any PRN** words, so PR*N*. Seemed like PRONG was the only possibility

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,130 3/6

SLICK
PREEN I have no idea why I chose this word
I don't think there are any PRN** words, so PR*N*. Seemed like PRONG was the only possibility

Perhaps Evo was wrong:

"Sounds like a good place to stop, we're not Psychics Forums."​

--- Evo​

From the perspective of all potential solutions, yours was one of the worst guesses.
But from the perspective of the actual solution, yours was one of the best guesses.

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,130 3/6

 

[gmax137]

From the perspective of all potential solutions, yours was one of the worst guesses.
But from the perspective of the actual solution, yours was one of the best guesses.

Which, SLICK or PREEN?

 

[fresh_42]

Wordle 1,131 4/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 131 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Which, SLICK or PREEN?

PREEN


Wordle 1,131 4/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,131 3/6

[FRONT] Pure luck, 3 left: FORTH FORTY FORTE
[HYPER] Filter word for guaranteed answer in 3