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[dwarde]

Wordle 1,268 3/6

 

[jack action]

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Cute?

No.

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Cute!

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 269 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,269 6/6

[ARISE] 78 left
[LOUSY] filter - 6 left: BLUNT CLUMP CLUNG FLUNG PLUMB PLUMP
[PLUMP] filter/most-probable - 3 left: BLUNT CLUNG FLUNG
[BLUNT] most-probable - 2 left
[CLUNG]
[FLUNG]

This one went from bad to worse. I was tossing and turning so much for my 3rd guess because there was no obvious choice. I should have gone for PLUMB and lost myself with PLUMP. Then I really like BLUNT for the 4th guess (which I would have known to be wrong had I used PLUMB before) and went for it even if it wasn't the best choice for eliminating possibilities. Then I was stuck with the two equally less appealing words out of the initial six after my 2nd guess; of course, I had to pick the wrong one.

The worst thing is that even if I followed the "correct" way, I would still have had it in 5 guesses: ARISE LOUSY PLUMB CLUNG FLUNG.

Two fails for the most-probable method in one game.

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 38/21 - 64.4%/35.6%

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,269 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,269 5/6




picked the wrong one!

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,269 3/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,269 5/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,269 6/6

[ARISE] 78 left
[LOUSY] filter - 6 left: BLUNT CLUMP CLUNG FLUNG PLUMB PLUMP

Did you tweak your software recently? Your first filter has the same wrong letter in the same wrong place as your seed. Perhaps a typo on your part? I use a spreadsheet, so typo's are not beyond my capabilities.

My algorithm picked POUTY as your second guess, leaving CLUNG, CHUCK, and FLUNG, a clear win in either 3 or 4, vs 6.

 

[jack action]

Did you tweak your software recently? Your first filter has the same wrong letter in the same wrong place as your seed. Perhaps a typo on your part? I use a spreadsheet, so typo's are not beyond my capabilities.

My algorithm picked POUTY as your second guess, leaving CLUNG, CHUCK, and FLUNG, a clear win in either 3 or 4, vs 6.

My algorithm finds the most popular letters in the possible answers. In this case, with no letters found with ARISE, it found OUYLM as the most popular letters in the remaining words and tried to find a matching filter with those letters. There wasn't one so it removed the least popular letter M and tried again with the remaining four and it found LOUSY.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 270 3/6

My algorithm finds the most popular letters in the possible answers. In this case, with no letters found with ARISE, it found OUYLM as the most popular letters in the remaining words and tried to find a matching filter with those letters. There wasn't one so it removed the least popular letter M and tried again with the remaining four and it found LOUSY.

Dropping the most uncommon letter is likely suboptimal if you are adding a letter that is already excluded. LOUSY is also a lot of vowels that can many times be inferred.

I don’t see why you don’t apply the same algorithm as for your starting word to subsequent guesses when you want a filter. Running it on a smaller subset of words should be significantly faster.

 

[jack action]

I don’t see why you don’t apply the same algorithm as for your starting word to subsequent guesses when you want a filter. Running it on a smaller subset of words should be significantly faster.

Because I did not have an algorithm for my starting word initially. The whole thing was something I'd thrown quickly for fun.

All good advice I've received here - and noted - but understand that this is the first time that the program has let me down like that.

 

[Orodruin]

this is the first time that the program has let me down like that.

One could say it gave you a LOUSY suggestion.

 

[ChaseLess]

Wordle 1,270 6/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,270 3/6

[ROAST] 4 left: OCTAL PATIO QUOTA TANGO
[LINES] filter - 1 left
[PATIO]

One of the other problems with my program: the suggestions for the second guess filter were EQUIP PIQUE QUIPO QUIPS QUIPU QUOPS.

Here is what it does:

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1. It correctly identifies the remaining letters as CL PI QU NG;
2. It creates an array with key=letter and value=occurence count. The natural order of the array in bash is apparently reverse alphabetical of the keys;
3. The array is sorted by value, in this case, all 1s so no change: U Q P N L I G C;
4. It keeps the first 5 items of the array (UQPNL) and tries to find a word with these letters;
5. If not found, it drops one letter until it finds one. In this case, it stops at UQP and finds the 6 guesses previously shown.

What I did to find my filter, was:

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1. to recognize that I needed three of the following: one C or L, one P or I, one Q or U, or one N or G;
2. that it would be helpful to use a vowel, i.e. one I or U.

And thus LIN was quickly recognized by my brain as the start of many words I could use.

It is this process that is harder to translate into a [simple] algorithm.

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1,270 3/6

[ROAST] 4 left: OCTAL PATIO QUOTA TANGO
[LINES] filter - 1 left
[PATIO]

One of the other problems with my program: the suggestions for the second guess filter were EQUIP PIQUE QUIPO QUIPS QUIPU QUOPS.

Here is what it does:

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1. It correctly identifies the remaining letters as CL PI QU NG;
2. It creates an array with key=letter and value=occurence count. The natural order of the array in bash is apparently reverse alphabetical of the keys;
3. The array is sorted by value, in this case, all 1s so no change: U Q P N L I G C;
4. It keeps the first 5 items of the array (UQPNL) and tries to find a word with these letters;
5. If not found, it drops one letter until it finds one. In this case, it stops at UQP and finds the 6 guesses previously shown.

What I did to find my filter, was:

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1. to recognize that I needed three of the following: one C or L, one P or I, one Q or U, or one N or G;
2. that it would be helpful to use a vowel, i.e. one I or U.

And thus LIN was quickly recognized by my brain as the start of many words I could use.

It is this process that is harder to translate into a [simple] algorithm.

PATIO was a perfectly good filter. Always check if one of the words in the possible solutions would filter the others.

(PATIO has the same O position as TANGO and the same T position as OCTAL, no positions common with QUOTA)

 

[jack action]

PATIO was a perfectly good filter. Always check if one of the words in the possible solutions would filter the others.

(PATIO has the same O position as TANGO and the same T position as OCTAL, no positions common with QUOTA)

See, I didn't even note that.

That should be another step to add to the algorithm which makes it even more complex. It's really amazing how the brain works.

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,270 3/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,270 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,270 3/6

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,270 4/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,271 3/6

[ARISE] 78 left
[POUTY] filter - 2 left: PLUMB PLUMP (déjà vu)
[PLUMB]

Without looking at my previous result, my gut told me to do the opposite of what I did before, and here we are.

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 39/21 - 65.0%/35.0%

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,271 3/6

 

[OmCheeto]

Wordle 1,271 4/6

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,271 6/6




I see two choices
wrong one!

 

[dwarde]

Wordle 1,271 5/6

 

[Orodruin]

Wordle 1 272 3/6

 

[kuruman]

Wordle 1,272 3/6

 

[jack action]

Wordle 1,272 4/6

[ARISE] 26 left
[CLINT] filter - 3 left: DYING OWING VYING
[DYING] filter - most-probable - 1 left
[VYING]

most-probable method count update (Success/Fail): 39/22 - 63.9%/36.1%

 

[gmax137]

Wordle 1,272 6/6








jeez...

[CLINT] filter - 3 left: DYING OWING VYING

That's a good filter, eliminating the "L" culls out a lot of words