Work by an ideal gas, thermodynamics

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total work done by an ideal gas during a thermodynamic cycle along the path DABCD, specifically for the isothermal processes AB and CD. The user initially calculates the work for these sections but finds discrepancies between their results and the book's solutions. They realize they may have used the wrong gas constant in their calculations. Clarifications are offered regarding the integration of pressure and volume to determine work, emphasizing the area under the curve in a PV diagram. The conversation highlights the importance of correct constants and understanding the graphical representation of the processes involved.
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Homework Statement


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At point D: P=2atm, T=360K, n=2mol
At point B: V=3VD, P=2Pc
Paths AB and CD represent isothermal processes
The gas is carried through a complete cycle along the path DABCD. Determine the total amount of work done by the gas.

Homework Equations


PV=nRT
W=nRT*ln(V2/V1) (by integration)

The Attempt at a Solution


I only need the work for the two curved sections (because the work by the vertical ones is zero). Using a system of equations, I determined the following (in the form PV=nRT):
A: Pa*29.6=2*R*721
B: (4/3)*88.8=2*R*721
C: (2/3)*88.8=2*R*360
D: 2*29.6=2*R*360

Using the work equation, I get Wab=-130J and Wcd=64.9J

But the solutions in my book say I should have -13.2kJ and 6.58kJ, respctively


I am pretty sure I solved for the variables correctly; am I not using the correct formula to find work? Or is there something I've missed...
 
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Hi v0id19! :smile:
v0id19 said:
PV=nRT
W=nRT*ln(V2/V1) (by integration)

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the problem, but isn't work done = ∫PdV, the area inside the graph? :confused:
 
yes, but I don't have any of the equations for the lines on the graph.
using the energy equation (E=Qin+W). for an isothermal process E=0, so Qin=-W, and W=PdV=∫(nRT)/V*dV=nRT*ln(V2/V1)
 
actually--i just redid the problem, it turns out i was using the wrong gas constant R...
 
Hi v0id19! :smile:

(just got up :zzz: …)
v0id19 said:
yes, but I don't have any of the equations for the lines on the graph.

But you are given the width and height of the region as proportions of the (x,y) coordinates of D. :wink:

(and, assuming AB and DC are meant to be "parallel", the area is width times height)
 
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