Work Done by Air pressure difference

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by air during an isothermal expansion and subsequent cooling at constant pressure. The initial calculation yielded 0.239 kJ for the work done during the isothermal expansion, but this does not account for the work involved in the constant pressure compression back to the initial volume. Participants note that the total work should consider both phases of the process, leading to a much smaller total work of approximately 1.4 J. There is skepticism regarding the book's answer of 5.6 kJ, which seems excessively high compared to the calculated values. Clarifying the calculations and considering both phases is essential for an accurate assessment of the work done.
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Work Done by Air "pressure difference"

Homework Statement


Air that initially occupies .14 m^3 at a gauge pressure of 103.0kPa is expanded isothermally to a pressure to 101.3 kPa and then cooled at constant pressure until it reaches its initial volume. Compute the work done by the air. (Gauge pressure is the difference between the actual pressure and atmospheric pressure.)

Homework Equations


W = V2 \int V1 (pdv)

pV=nRT

The Attempt at a Solution


The professor did some simplification on the board and it came down to nRT(ln)(V_2 / V_1)

then I solved for V2 and V1 V=(nRT)/p "the nRT cancels" and then I have this equation

piV1(ln)(pi / pf) = .239 kJ =Work

The answer in the back of the book is 5.6 kJ, so if someone could help me out where I'm going wrong this would be highly appreciated.
 
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just.karl said:

The Attempt at a Solution


The professor did some simplification on the board and it came down to nRT(ln)(V_2 / V_1)

then I solved for V2 and V1 V=(nRT)/p "the nRT cancels" and then I have this equation

piV1(ln)(pi / pf) = .239 kJ =Work

The answer in the back of the book is 5.6 kJ, so if someone could help me out where I'm going wrong this would be highly appreciated.
239 J is the work done during isothermal expansion. I would think we need to account for the constant pressure compression as well.

(Even so, 5.6 kJ doesn't look right to me.)
 


For a polytropic process of an ideal gas with isothermal expansion (n=1) you can also use the expression for work=P1*V1*ln(V2/V1) which gives a similar result of 284.2 J However that is the total area under the curve from pt 1 to pt 2. There is also the area (work) under the curve when the air is cooled at constant pressure to the initial volume that must be subtracted from the above work to get the area of the complete process. If that is the case it get a very small total work of about 1.4 J. In any case 5.6 KJ seems way to large.
 
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