Work required to remove a metal sheet from a capacitor

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work required to remove a metal sheet from between the plates of a capacitor under two scenarios: with the battery connected (constant voltage) and disconnected (constant charge). It highlights the importance of understanding how capacitance changes with the presence of the metal sheet and how this affects energy calculations. The user attempted to apply a method from a textbook example involving moving capacitor plates but encountered discrepancies in the results. The conversation emphasizes the need to correctly apply the formulas for energy and work in capacitors to arrive at the right answer. Ultimately, the user seeks clarification on whether their approach to the problem was valid.
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Homework Statement



How much work would be required to remove a metal sheet from between the plates of a capacitor, assuming

a) the battery remains connected so the voltage remains constant
b) the battery is disconnected so the charge remains constant

Homework Equations



When a metal sheet with a thickness "l" is put between the plates

C = \frac{\epsilon _0A}{d-l}

Without the metal

C = \frac{\epsilon _0A}{d}

The Attempt at a Solution



There is an example named "moving parallel capacitor plates" in my textbook, It asks the work needed to move the capacitor plates until the separation between them is 3x from x.

Then an explanation is given to the solution.

"Unlike Example 9(charge was constant in ex. 9), here the capacitor remains connected to the battery. Hence charge and energy can flow to or from the battery, and we cannot set the work W = \Delta U. Instead the work can be calculated from the equation \int_{a}^{b}Fdl.
As you might expect, the work required to pull these oppositely charged plates apart is positive."I tried to use this approach for the problem in the topic because it was like moving the plates. (from "d-l" to "d"). I ended up with a positive answer but the correct answer is the negative of what I have found. In the solutions manual, it just calculates the work from W = \Delta U

So was it wrong to see this problem as a moving plates question?
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Hint: In a) and b), you can find C1, U1 and C2, U2.

The energy in a capacitor, Ecap = ½*U2*C.

W = E2 - E1
 
Hesch said:
Hint: In a) and b), you can find C1, U1 and C2, U2.

The energy in a capacitor, Ecap = ½*U2*C.

W = E2 - E1

Sorry but that doesn't answer my question.
 
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