Zero K proof that a chess position contains a checkmate

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around building a zero-knowledge proof (ZKP) to demonstrate that a specific chess position contains at least one checkmate without revealing the checkmate itself. The RISC Zero zkVM is highlighted as a tool that can create such proofs, with an example provided in a GitHub repository that utilizes the shakmaty crate to validate checkmate conditions. The author seeks a detailed understanding of the process, particularly how to convert a chess position represented in FEN notation into a graph suitable for a three-coloring algorithm. This transformation is crucial for proving the existence of a checkmate. The author notes that while using shakmaty can assert the presence of a checkmate, the RISC0 framework offers a more comprehensive zero-knowledge setup, which is currently beyond their understanding.
fluidistic
Gold Member
Messages
3,929
Reaction score
272
Hi people,
It's been years I wanted to post this question here. I would like to build a zero knowledge proof that a given chess position contains at least one checkmate. I know that anything provable admits a zero k proof. I know about https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/110939/zero-knowledge-proof-applied-to-a-chess-position and .
I know it's been done already (see https://github.com/risc0/risc0/tree/main/examples/chess):
This code demonstrates a minimal example of how to use the RISC Zero zkVM to make ZK proofs about chess.


The demo uses the shakmaty crate to prove that a chess position has a checkmate without revealing what that checkmate is.
But I would like to understand exactly how to do so, every single step. There are other ways to accomplish it. I think I should be able to transform the problem into a graph/map with 3 colors scheme. I.e. if I can convince the Verifier that I can color the map with 3 colors such that no 2 colors are adjacent, then the proof would be complete. The hard part I don't know how to do is to apply an algorithm to transform a given FEN (or chess position) into such a graph. For example, this position
Code:
6Q1/8/8/8/8/8/5K2/7k w - - 0 1
contains 4 ways to checkmate in 1.
 
Computer science news on Phys.org
You need to feed the FEN into a chess engine, and get it to tell you what all of the legal moves are and what the resulting positions are.
 
pasmith said:
You need to feed the FEN into a chess engine, and get it to tell you what all of the legal moves are and what the resulting positions are.
Not exactly. I could use shakmaty (not even a,chess engine) like risc0 does, to assert whether the FEN contains a checkmate. You don't even need to invoke the command to check all legal moves. However risc0 does more than this, for it is designed to be a real 0k setup. It's over my,head for now.
 
This week, I saw a documentary done by the French called Les sacrifiés de l'IA, which was presented by a Canadian show Enquête. If you understand French I recommend it. Very eye-opening. I found a similar documentary in English called The Human Cost of AI: Data workers in the Global South. There is also an interview with Milagros Miceli (appearing in both documentaries) on Youtube: I also found a powerpoint presentation by the economist Uma Rani (appearing in the French documentary), AI...
I have been idly browsing what Apple have to offer with their new iPhone17. There is mention of 'Vapour cooling' to deal with the heat generated. Would that be the same sort of idea that was used in 'Heat Pipes' where water evaporated at the processor end and liquid water was returned from the cool end and back along a wick. At the extreme high power end, Vapour Phase Cooling has been used in multi-kW RF transmitters where (pure) water was pumped to the Anode / or alternative Collector and...

Similar threads

Replies
25
Views
4K
Replies
77
Views
12K
3
Replies
105
Views
14K
4
Replies
175
Views
25K
Replies
28
Views
6K
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
10
Views
5K
Back
Top