Chain rule Definition and 511 Threads

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    How do I apply the chain rule in division rule for this calculus problem?

    Homework Statement y = (2x-3)/(x^2+4)^2 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I am trying to relearn the calculus that I forgot from many moons ago. I am struggling with the chain rule in the above example. I tried to set it up as follows: This is what I know...
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    Is my proof for the Chain Rule invalid?

    All the proofs I have found for the Chain Rule involve limits and the fundamental theorem of Algebra... So I came up with a PROOF, not a derivation. But my teacher claims that my proof is invalid. Is it? If so, why? let: u=z(x) y=f(u)=f(z(x)) therefore: dy/du = f ' (u) therefore...
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    Trouble using the chain rule product rule and quotient rule

    im having a lot of trouble using the chain rule product rule and quotient rule..i can do them fine seperatly but when they're put together i can't get them like if you have (x^2-1)^4 (2-3x) i would start with 4(x^2-1)^3(2x)(2-3x)+(x^2-1)^4(-3) have i done something wrong here because i never...
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    Mastering the Chain Rule: A Quick Guide for Calculus Students

    Homework Statement y = 2x / (1+x^2)^2 Find dy/dx Homework Equations Chain rule The Attempt at a Solution I completely forgot how to apply the chain rule.. I mean, I can always apply the quotient rule, but I'm sure this is 1000 times easier if you can apply the chain rule. Do you...
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    Understanding the Chain Rule: When to Use and Why

    When do you know to use the chain rule?? I really don't understand what this means: dr/dt = dr/ds * ds/dt Like in one example in the book they have: r(s) = cos2si + sin2sj + e^-3sk where s = t^4 Then they find dr/dt using the chain rule. My question is why can't you just...
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    Troubleshooting Product and Chain Rule for h(t) Derivatives

    i am having trouble with this one problem. maybe you can tell me where i am going wrong. find h'(t) if h(t)=(t^6-1)^5(t^5+1)^6 so i am using product rule and to find the derivatives of each expression i am using chain rule... so i get h'(t)=30t^4(t^6-1)^4(t^5+1)^6+30^4(t^5+1)^5(t^6-1)^5...
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    Optimum values and w/ chain rule

    A boat leaves dock at 2:00 PM, heading west at 15 km/h. Another boat heads south at 12 km/h and reaches the same dock at 3:00 PM. When were the boats closest to each other? I've solved other problems similar to this one, but I can't seem to figure this one out. I'm not sure what I have to do...
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    Q: Finding the Rate of Gasoline Level Change in a Tanker Truck

    please help me with this assignment question. Q: gasoline is pumped from the tank of a tanker truck at a rate of 20L/s. if the tank is a cylinder 2.5 m in diameter and 15 m long, at what rate is the level of gasoline falling when the gasoline in the tank is 0.5m deep? express in exact answer...
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    How to Explain the Chain Rule: A Visual, Verbal, and Mathematical Approach

    Homework Statement The question is: How would you explain the chain rule to a classmate? My teacher wants: 1.a graph, 2. in words, 3. using math Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I said: for the function y=f[g(x)], the chain rule is d/dx[g(x)]. Whats the graph like?
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    What is the Chain Rule for Derivatives?

    Given: h=f\circ g , g(2)=5, g\prime(2)=3, and f\prime(5)=-2 Determine h\prime(2)
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    Using the Quotient Rule with the Chain Rule

    Hi, I'm struggling to understand how to find the derivative of something like this... [(2x - 1)^2] / [(x - 2)^3] The answer in my book says it is supposed to be [-(2x - 1)(2x + 5)] / [(x - 2)^4] How do I use the chain rule with the quotient rule at the same time? I even multiplied...
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    Exploring the Second Partials Chain Rule in Multivariable Calculus

    This is a stupid question but... The regular multivariable chain rule is: u_x = u_v v_x + u_w w_x and u_y = u_v v_y + u_w w_y where u(v(x, y), w(x, y)) Now, are there formulae for the second partials u_{xx}, u_{xy}, u_{yy} I just want to check myself (this isn't a homework problem, though...
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    Differentiating f(t) with Chain Rule

    f(t) = (1+tan t)^(1/3) differentiate using chain rule. u = 1 + tan t y = u^(1/3) dy/dt = dy/du x du/dt u=1+tan t 1/3 u^(-2/3) when u = 1 + tan t x sec^(2)t = = sec^(2)t/3(1+tan t)^(2/3) Did I do this correct??
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    Master the Chain Rule to Finding Derivatives of Complex Functions

    Using the "Chain Rule" Alright I've been working on some more practice problems and doing fairly well in finding the correct derivative, until I came to this question: y = [PLAIN]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/6/0/160a5b4ac79375bd4c5e13c0f3a95f73.pngcos(sin^2x)[/URL] (everything is...
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    Simple integration based on chain rule

    I think I've got this, but I'm not quite sure, especially about multiplying to get du to be what I want. Can someone please tell me if this is correct? (The first line is the problem.) Thanks! \int\frac{3xdx}{\sqrt[3]{2x^2+3}} I set u=2x^2+3, du=4x so the problem becomes \int...
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    Solving a Logarithmic Chain Rule Problem with u(r) Differentiation

    Problem: u(x) = u_1(x)u_2(x)\cdot\cdot\cdot u_n(x) Show that u'(x) = u(x)\left[\frac{u'_1(x)}{u_1(x)} + \frac{u'_2(x)}{u_2(x)} + ... + \frac{u'_n(x)}{u_n(x)}\right] Hint: Take the logarithm of u(x) first. I solved this by using the chain rule. Regarding the hint, am I missing...
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    Chain rule with table of values

    ok firstly i understand how the chain rule works however I am given this table x f '(x) g(x) g'(x) h'(x) 0 7 2 ___ 32 2 8 0 -3 ___ im told to fill in the blanks where h(x)=f(g(x^2-x)) this problem has become an annoyance at first i assumed to solve i would take...
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    Solve Chain Rule Problem: Finding dy/dx for y=2t+3 and x=t^2-t

    I need help solving this problem. It is in my textbook but no answer is provided in the appendix. If y=2t+3 and x=t^{2}-t, find \frac{dy}{dx} In theory this should be fairly straight forward! Simply find \frac{dy}{dt} and \frac{dt}{dx} and multiply both derivatives together to find...
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    Need help with combination of product and chain rule

    I need help differentiating y=\sqrt{x-2}\sqrt{x+1} I am using a mix of the chain rule and product rule which my textbook for school wants me to use for this. So suggestions for different ways of approaching it won't help :P Anyways, thanks in advance for looking over it. It's my first...
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    Find derivative with chain rule

    hey how would i find the derivative of y= -18 \sin 80 t? thanks pavadrin
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    Is the Chain Rule Needed to Differentiate 6e^{0.013t}?

    f(t) = 6e^{0.013t} How do I find the derivative of this? I'm confused. Do I have to use the chain rule here or the product rule, or both?
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    Why Chain Rule for Differentiating f(u) = e1/u?

    Differentiate the function: f(u) = e1/u So, I used the chain rule and figured out that f '(u) = (-u-2) e1/u My question is, why do you have to use the chain rule? I know that if f(x) = ex then f '(x) = ex Why can't I pretend that 1/u is x and then say that f '(x) = ex = e1/u In...
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    Calculating dQ/dt: Chain Rule Applied

    Question: Let Q = \sqrt{x^2 + y}e^t where (for t > or = 0) x = \sqrt{1 - e^{-2t}} and y = 2 - e^{-2t} Using the chain rule calculate dQ/dt, expressing your answer in as simple a form as possible. My work so far Subbing in values of x and y: Q = \sqrt{1 - e^{-2t} + 2 - e^{-2t}}e^t =...
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    Trig step in a chain rule question

    I need to show that two equations equal one another. It's too complicated to display fully on here but I'm stuck on a step: dF/dr = df/dx cos2(h) + df/dy sin(h) (dF/dr)^2 = (df/dx)^2 cos^2(h) + (df/dy)^2 sin^2(h) Does anybody know how to get rid of the cos squared and sin squared...
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    Chain Rule Help: Solving (g o f)'(4) with f'(8)=5, g'(8)=3, f(4)=8, and g(4)=10

    f '(8)=5 g '(8)=3 f(4)=8 g(4)=10 g(4)=10 g(8)=2 f(8)=5 find (g o f)'(4) how do I go about setting up these types of problem.
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    Stationary points and chain rule

    Hi, I would like some help verifying the nature of a stationary point of the following function of two variables. f\left( {x,y} \right) = \sin \left( x \right) + \sin \left( y \right) + \sin \left( {x + y} \right) Ok so I equated grad(f) to zero and solved for x and y. I got three...
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    Exploring the Matrix Version of the Multivariable Chain Rule

    Hi, does anyone know of any websites which have some theory and perhaps some examples of the matrix version of the chain rule. Neither of the books I have covers this particular topic so I'd like to read up on it. Any help would be appreciated thanks.
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    Mastering the Chain Rule for Complex Derivatives

    I understand hhow to use the chain rule for a simple 2 part composite function, however, I tend to have problems when it gets past that. Can someone please help me master these complex derivatives, or just a few quick tips would be nice --Thanks
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    Proving Change of Variables Formula for Double Integral w/ Chain Rule

    Hi, I'm having trouble understanding the solution to a question from my book. I think it's got something to do with the chain rule. The problem is to prove the change of variables formula for a double integral for the case f(x,y) = 1 using Green's theorem. \int\limits_{}^{} {\int\limits_R^{}...
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    Understanding the Chain Rule in Multivariable Functions

    Hi, here is what I'm trying to do: Find \frac{\partial}{\partial x} f(2x, 3y) First of all, I'm confused by the f(2x, 3y) How does the function look like? I imagine that it is for example f(x,y) = cos(xy) - sin(3xy^2} and that therefore f(2x, 3y) = cos(6xy) - sin(54xy^2) I'm...
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    Using the Chain Rule to Differentiate f(g(x^2))

    I'm a little confused as to when to stop taking the derivative of the inside function when using the chain rule... Lets say I have f( g(x^2) ) Would this be correct? f`( g(x^2) ) * g`(x^2) * 2x ? Or do I keep on going until the x is completely gone from the equation?
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    When should the Chain Rule be applied for finding derivatives?

    I've been having some trouble grasping the conditions necessary to apply the chain rule to achieve the derivative of an algebraic expression or even apply it to a real world situation. So, my question to those skilled in qualitatively explaining the conditions for applying the Chain Rule and...
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    How Do You Apply the Chain Rule to Differentiate f(x) = x^5(4^(x^2))?

    I'm so confused. I have to find the derivative of f(x) = x^5(4^(x^2)). All of the powers are messing me up. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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    Efficient Composition of Functions for the Chain Rule Problem

    I have the function: y=\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}}} I need to find separate, smaller functions which will result in the composition of this function. I tried but all I ended up with was: f(x)=\sqrt{x} g(x)=x+\sqrt{x+\sqrt{x}} Therefore, y=f(g(x)) However, this is obviously a...
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    Using the chain rule with 2 variables ?

    Hey, I am a bit confused oh how to use the chain rule when i have 2 variables in an equation... Example : f(x,y) = (Squareroot(x)).(cosh(x+y^2)) x(s,t)=st y(s,t)=s/t When i have 2 variables, I am not sure how to split it up and use the chain rule, all the examples i found only have 1...
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    Chain rule confusion partial derivatives

    Hello everyone... I'm very confused... i'm suppose to find dz/dt and dw/dt but for some of the questions there is no w variable! so what do u put for dw/dt?! Also i have the following: w = xy + yz^2; x = e^t; y = e^t*sint; z = e^t*cost; so I'm trying to find dz/dt and dw/dt; dz/dt =...
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    How Do You Apply the Chain Rule to Differentiate h = 3x^2y^3 with Respect to t?

    h = 3x^2.y^3 find dh/dt, if x=1, and y=2 Also, dx/dt = 0.2, dy/dt = 0.1 Any ideas where i should start in order to get this out? Thanx
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    Struggling to Solve Chain Rule Problem: Help Appreciated!

    I'm thoroughly confused as to how and work this problem. I thought I had an ok understanding of the chain rule when I started the section's homework, but this question has me ready to gorge out my eyeballs! The Problem: --------------- Find:dy/dx at x = 2 Given: y = (s+3)^2, s = sqrt(t-3)...
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    Master the Chain Rule with These Easy Steps - Check Your Work for Accuracy!

    chain rule agian - check my work please w = -xy-5yz+3xz, x = st, y = exp(st), z = t^2 dw/ds(5,-2) = ________________________ here's what i did: dw/ds = dw/dx*dx/ds + dw/dy*dy/ds + dw/dz*dz/ds dw/ds = (3z-y)*(t) + (-x-5z)(exp(st)*t) + (3x-5y)(0) plug in x,y and z... dw/ds =...
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    How Do You Evaluate dw/dt at t=0 Using the Chain Rule Results?

    Suppose w = x/y + y/z x = exp(t), y=2+sin(5t), and z= 2+cos(7t) A.) Use the chain rule to find dw/dt as a function of x, y, z, and t. Do not rewrite x, y, and z in terms of t, and do not rewrite exp(t) as x. I got this one right, the answer is 1/y*exp(t) +(- x/y^2+1/z)*(5*cos(5t)) +...
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    I found a proof for the vector chain rule, but it makese no sense to me

    Hello everyone, our professor wanted us to find the vector chain rule proof and i found one here: http://web.mit.edu/wwmath/vectorc/scalar/chain.html But it makes no sense to me, where are the limits?
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    Stumped Calc Students: Can You Solve This Diff. Equation?

    This is a problem that has stumped my entire class of Calc 1 students and two Calc 2 students. Find \frac {dy} {dx} y = \frac {(2x+3)^3} {(4x^2-1)^8} I know that the answer is (from the textbook, but I don't know how it got there) -\frac {2(2x+3)^2(52x^2+96x+3)} {(4x^2-1)^9}...
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    Is my Multivariable Chain Rule Derivation Correct?

    Please let me know if I derived this correctly (I did it a while back, and can't find the notebook): v(x,y)=u(r(x,y),s(x,y)) (derivations) At some point I come across this: \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \frac{\partial u}{\partial r} which I wrote as \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial...
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    How Do You Compute Derivatives in Spherical Coordinates Using the Chain Rule?

    Let f: \Re^3 \rightarrow \Re be differentiable. Making the substitution x = \rho \cos{\theta} \sin{\phi}, y = \rho \sin{\theta} \sin{\phi}, z = \rho \cos{\phi} (spherical coordinates) into f(x,y,z), compute (partially) df/d(rho), df/d(theta), and df/d(phi) in terms of df/dx, df/dy...
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    Is My Chain Rule for Limits Proof Correct?

    I would like to prove a chain rule for limits (from which the continuity of the composition of continuous functions will clearly follow): if \lim_{x\to c} \, g(x)=M and \lim_{x\to M} \, f(x)=L, then \lim_{x\to c} \, f(g(x))=L. Can someone please tell me if the following proof is correct? I am...
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    How does the product and chain rule apply to this problem?

    Could someone please help me, I do not understand how the author of my textbook gets from one point to another. Here is the problem worked out, after the problem I will explain which part I don't understand. f(x)=x(x-4)^3 f'(x)=x[3(x-4)^2]+(x-4)^3 =(x-4)^2(4x-4) I do not understand how...
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    Chain rule in functions of two variables

    Please help me on this. I am trying to make and exercise from an author M.D. Hatton (an english). Let x = x(r, w) = r. cos (w) Let y = y(r,w) = r. sen (w) Let V = V(x,y). So V depends on r and w. By chain rule (I put "d" for the partial derivative) dV = dV . dx + dV. dy --...
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    Understanding Partial Fractions and the Chain Rule in Integration

    Hi, I have 2 questions: 1. partial fractions: if I have following integral: Itegral[(1-2x^2)/(x - x^3)]dx; my question is do I break down the denominator to x(1-x^2) or do I go further: x(1-x)(1+x); this way it becomes more complicated; 2. chain rule: how does chain rule work in this...
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    The Chain Rule, death to anyone that breaks the rule

    Ok so I am reviewing multivariable now that i have some time; (why is it taking me so long to grasp some of these concepts!? :mad: ) anyways, and I am reading the proof of stokes theorem. The book I use is Stewart, but it seems to be ripped off word for word from swokowski, which in turn rippes...
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    Can I Prove the Chain Rule with the Definition of a Total Differential?

    If I was trying to prove the chain rule for partial derivatives, can I start with the definition of a total differential? What I mean is: Let f(x,y)=z where x=g(t) and y=h(t). I'm looking for \frac{dz}{dt}. By definition, dz = \frac{\partial z}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial...
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