Log Definition and 632 Threads

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    Solving the Log Identity Problem: Understanding the Daume Equation

    Homework Statement http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4729/daumequation13275759907.png Homework Equations N/A The Attempt at a Solution Hmm... This is a tough one. I thought these two functions have been mathematically proven to be exactly the same? Does it have something to do...
  2. D

    Solving Equation With Natural Log

    Homework Statement Solve the Equation, Check for extraneous solutions. (ln x)^2 = ln (x^2) Homework Equations -None- The Attempt at a Solution I tried simplifying it down for myself but got stuck and don't know what to do next. (ln x)^2= ln x^2 (loge x)^2 = loge x^2...
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    Good Approximation to the Log Function

    Homework Statement So in my biology class, my professor wants us to use the Nernst equation without using calculators. I personally think this is stupid. However, I have no choice, so today, I tried coming up with approximations of the log function. Homework Equations We start with loga(b) =...
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    Solving Log Equations: Proving LHS = RHS

    Homework Statement 1. \frac{x^{log~7x^2}}{7 x^{log~4x}}=7^{log_2 2~-1} 2. 100 x^{log x~-1}+x^{log_2 x ~-2}=20000 Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution 1. The RHS = 1, so xlog 7x2 = 7 xlog 4x Stuck... 2. Completely dunno... :frown: PS: log is not natural logarithm
  5. MacLaddy

    Log Simplification Strategies for Evaluating Expressions with Square Roots

    Homework Statement Assume log_bx=0.36, log_by=0.56, log_bz=0.83 Evaluate the following expressions log_b\frac{\sqrt{xy}}{z} Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I know that the first step of simplification is (log_b\sqrt{x}+log_b\sqrt{y})-(log_bz), and that...
  6. H

    SNRDB= 10*log10(SNR) -> log base 10SNR = 10.^(SNRDB/10)

    SNRDB= 10*log10(SNR) --> log base 10SNR = 10.^(SNRDB/10) SNRDB= 10*log10(SNR) --> log base 10 SNR = 10.^(SNRDB/10) ---(1) SNR = exp(SNRDB*ln(10)/10) ---(2) How is equation 2 comes as I checked both equation 1 & 2 are equivalent numerically. I am not able to derive equation 2.
  7. P

    Stress, strain and modulus - log hung from 2 wires

    Homework Statement There is a 104kg uniform log hung on two steel wires, A and B, both of radius 1.00mm. Initially, wire A was 2.70m long and 2.00mm shorter than wire B. The log is now horizontal. Note that the centre of gravity (com) is not necessarily centered between the wires and the...
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    Definite Integral of the Natural Log of a Quadratic using Riemann Sums

    Homework Statement Use the form of the definition of the integral to evaluate the following: lim (n \rightarrow ∞) \sum^{n}_{i=1} x_{i}\cdotln(x_{i}^{2} + 1)Δx on the interval [2, 6] Homework Equations x_{i} = 2 + \frac{4}{n}i Δx = \frac{4}{n} Ʃ^{n}_{i=1}i^{2} =...
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    Log and Ln Problem - Matching Equations

    Homework Statement I am trying to prove that the following equations are the same for a client, but keep getting different answers using a calculator. Homework Equations 1- Cadmium concentration = e^0.86[In(hardness)]-3.2 μg/L 2 - Cadmium concentration =...
  10. P

    What is the Interpretation of Log Likelihood in Molecular Data Analysis?

    Hello, I am a Bio informatician and encountered Likelihood while executing the Molecular data. I have used one software that is using the Hidden Markov Model in addition to the EM Algorithm and Viterbi algorithm. After calculations are done already, in addition to the output, it is giving me...
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    Critical Points of Log Function

    Homework Statement http://i.minus.com/jCH20SF290QIb.png Homework Equations Critical point: when the derivative = 0 or the derivative fails to exist. The Attempt at a Solution I got x = 0 and x = e as critical points. When x = e, the function becomes 0 / e, which = 0...
  12. D

    Integrating Log and Rational Functions

    Homework Statement \int_0^{\infty} \ln \left( \frac{e^x+1}{e^x-1} \right) \mbox{d}x \int_0^{\infty} \frac{1}{x^n+1}\ \mbox{d}x\ \forall n >1 Homework Equations - The Attempt at a Solution I've tried IBP and separating the ln into two terms and failed. I've also tried a...
  13. J

    Can you simplify 2e^(ln12/2) and 2e^(ln6/2)?

    Homework Statement The full problem is y=e^(x/2) and y=e^(-x) revolved around the x-axis, from [ln6,ln12]. The part I'm struggling with is evaluating 2e^(ln12/2) and 2e^(ln6/2). I am just reviewing for my Calculus 1 final. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution...
  14. D

    Trying to make a program to take and print the natural log of a number input

    I'm relatively new to C programming and I am trying to make a program to take and print the natural log of a number input by the user but for some reason my program always returns incorrect answers. For example I entered 1 as my number, and the answer came back as some ridiculously big value...
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    Why is the integral 1/x equivalent to log base e?

    Yes I know it's a really stupid question, please don't make fun of me. But when they first defined this new function, the integral of 1/x, and had no graph or knowledge of how it looked, how could they know it was a logarithm? More specifically, the logarithm with base e.
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    Property of Natural Log- Inequality equation

    Hi. I just saw on wikipedia that natural logarithm has such a property: [x/(1+x)] < ln (1 + x) < x (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_logarithm) Can anyone pls tell me how to prove this? Proving [x/(1+x)] and ln (1 + x) less than 'x' is easy.. But how abt [x/(1+x)] < ln (1 + x)...
  17. A

    Need help understanding proof of natural log integrals

    [PLAIN]http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9004/screenshot20111117at720.png Proofs always get to me for some reason. It's like other problems I can do, but when it comes to proofs I don't know what to put. Can anyone show me steps? Thank you
  18. M

    Limit of Function with Log: What is the Limit of f(x) as x Approaches Infinity?

    Homework Statement Find the limit of f(x) = x^2 ln(1+1/x) - x x-> ∞ The Attempt at a Solution Not sure where to start, but I take the derivative f'(x) = 2x*ln(1+1/x) +x^2 \frac{ -x^{-2}}{1+1/x} -1 2x*ln(1+1/x) - \frac{1}{1+1/x} -1 the second term goes to -1...
  19. M

    Integral of a Log: Calculate Real Solution

    Homework Statement Calculate the following integral: \int_0^a{\left(y-m_1u-c_1\right)\log{\left[u^2+\left(y-m_1u-c_1\right)^2\right]}{\rm d}u} Where "a" is positive Real, "y, c, m" are Reals. Homework Equations \int{\log{\left[u^2+c^2\right]}{\rm...
  20. A

    When should a Laboratory Log book be written?

    Firstly, please excuse me if this post is in the wrong section, I couldn't find any "experimental" physics section. Please note that the template is not used since the questions is pretty much descriptive. As part my course, I have one lab session per week. Its duration is one and half our...
  21. J

    When are you supposed to take the natural log of both sides of an equation?

    It seems this is done randomly, yet it must not be random, there must be some logic to it, but when do you know to do it? What is like a clue or the rules that indicate you can/should take the natural log of both sides of an equation?
  22. J

    This log problem is throwing me off, out of nowhere

    Question is: solve for x ln(x+1)-1 = ln(x-1) tried to do it TWO different ways, and neither is the right way, check this out: first attempt: since LN is on both sides , it goes away and you just have variables, that way sucks because then you get 0=-1 , wrong. second attempt: divide...
  23. R

    Rearranging an equation using log functions

    Homework Statement Hi guys. I'm trying to rearrage an equation using the natural log and I thought I had it correct but am now struggling. I need to rearange it into the form: y=a0 + a1*C. Where a0 and a1 are some combination of the other variables and numbers below Homework Equations...
  24. Matt Benesi

    Question about formula for natural log

    Any information on the following formula for natural logarithm (I looked in wikipedia and Mathworld but didn't see it). It came from another equation I was working on a bit ago, and I was curious about it as I didn't recall seeing it before (which doesn't mean I haven't), although it reminded...
  25. M

    Why my random experiment has a log normal distribution?

    Hi, I am confused with the results of a seemingly simple simulation that is generating a log normally distributed output. Please see the attached results file. Simulation: I have built a Scratch program that randomly picks six letters from a group of six letters (A, B, C, D, E & E). The...
  26. M

    Double integral of a Log (natural)

    Homework Statement I wish to find the following integral over the rectangle [-a,a] in u and [-b,b] in v using Mathematica. The constants a and b are positive (and non-zero). The variables x and y are in Reals. A(x,y)=\int_{-a}^a{\int_{-b}^b{\log{\left[(u-x)^2+(v-y)^2\right]}{\rm d}v}{\rm...
  27. D

    Integration and log of a complex number

    Hey, I know the answer to this integral is 2ipi as it was given but I trying to find out how its 2ipi. Here is my working [PLAIN]http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/1681/unledrny.jpg I've been looking at this for ages and I can't work out what I've done wrong thanks,
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    Exploring the Relationship Between Natural Log and Partial Derivatives in PDE

    Is the following relationship true?: \frac{\partial (ln(k))}{\partial P}=\frac{1}{k}\frac{\partial k}{\partial P} I am getting both of these terms from a paper on mineral physics and they seem to use both terms interchangeably. If so, how are these related?
  29. A

    Need help getting formula for volume of any tree log.

    Homework Statement For calc 2 we have to write a formula using integration that will find the volume of any tree log that is cut. Using the picture that is attacked I came up with this equation. The integral from 0 to h of pi*(((R-r/h)x+r))^2)dx. Any ideas about my formula or anything would...
  30. J

    Finding derivative of log and lnx. Please help Need help before test

    I need help in finding dy/dx or the derivative of these function: 1. y=sin^2(lnx) so d/dx[sin^2(lnx)] I tried following this model of sin^x=(sinx)^2 so d/dx[(sinlnx)^2)]. Then use the chain rule of dy/dx= f'g(g') which is 2(sinlnx)(cos1/x) but I don't think that is right so can you please tell...
  31. R

    I can't make sense of this log property explanation?

    Homework Statement I decided to cram these two unrelated question into one post, because they are too small and I don't want to crowd the forum with my many little bitty questions. 1. log(base A) of B= 1/[log(base B) of A] because: if log(base B) of A=C, then B^C=A and so B=A^1/C...
  32. T

    Differential Equation Involving Natural Log.

    Homework Statement Calculate the following: \int^{-4}_{-6} (x^-1+5x)dx Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I've worked this down to ln(-4) + 5(-4) - ln(-6) - 5(-6) =ln(-4)-ln(-6)+10 The answer to the left half (the ln parts) of the equation is undefined, and the...
  33. L

    Convergence of sequence with log

    Homework Statement prove that the series summation from n=3 to infinity of (1/(n*log(n)*(log(log(n))^p)) diverges if 0<p<=1 and converges for p>1. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution 2^n*a(2^n)= 1/(log(2^n)*(log(log(2^n))^p)). this is similar to the summation from n=2 to...
  34. J

    Question about integral and natural log

    Homework Statement Find the integral to the following expression \int\frac{1}{x-1}dx Homework Equations \int udv = uv - \int vdu \int\frac{1}{x}dx = ln(x) The Attempt at a Solution Given the information above, would a correct answer to this problem be ln(x-1) ? If not...
  35. A

    How Do You Differentiate f(x) = (71+x)/(1-x)?

    Homework Statement Differentiate, f(x)=71+x/1-x Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Working this out, hoping it's right as I was going along, my final answer is 71+x/1-x * (2ln7)/1-x
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    Solve for x: Natural Log Help!

    natural log helpp! Homework Statement ln(x+10)+ln(x+4)=2 2. The attempt at a solution okay so i took it down to (-14+-(14^2 - 4(e^2 - 40))^1/2) / 2 which i broke down to 356 - 4e^2 inside the sqrt. am i on the right track and if so Whats the next step?
  37. T

    Solve log6(x+6) - log6(x-4) = 3 | Log Subtraction Help

    Homework Statement log6(x+6) - log6(x-4) = 3 2. The attempt at a solution 150/36 is what i get which i simplified to 25/6. but the program tells me I am wrong can anyone think of how I am getting this wrong
  38. P

    Using Log Tables: Finding Log Values

    how to use a log table..and how to find the value of log 1.6 or log 5.62. or any other example.
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    Natural log of a variable times the variable

    so I've got this equation down to x*ln(2/x) = 5 Can someone show/point me to a page where I can see how to solve this. I am under the impression it requires some type of ratio computation. thanks!
  40. P

    Solving a log equation with (3) different bases

    I used to think I was master of any high school math course until I came across this log equation in a calculus textbook. \log_{2}x + \log_{5}(2x+1) = \ln x I use the change of base to convert everything to one base and then I get down to: (2x+1)^{\ln2} = x^{\ln2\ln5 - \ln5} I have no...
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    Effective Project Logging: Tips and Strategies for Keeping Track of Your Work

    Like the title says, I'm trying to figure out how I can keep an effective log of the stuff I've done in a project. I'm particularly curious about ways to keep a good project log for a long project (i.e. longer than a month). I've tried to do it, but I have a lot of trouble figuring out exactly...
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    Power Series for log z: Finding Singularity at z=0

    Homework Statement Does there exist a power series expansion of log z around z=0? If so, what is it? If not, demonstrate that it is impossible. Homework Equations [PLAIN]http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4839/eq1.gif Here is the expansion of log z around z=1. The Attempt at a Solution...
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    Limits of log sin equal to 0/1/infinity?

    Homework Statement limx->\pi/2(ln sin x)/((\pi-2x)2)Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution Putting \pi/2 into this equation gives 0/0, however, the limit of this could be 1,0 or infinity, so how would you distinguish between the three?
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    Is ln|sin x| equivalent to ln sin x?

    Homework Statement y = ln | sin x | Homework Equations - The Attempt at a Solution No attempt at a solution, because it's more of a "which part of this is incorrect" question. y = ln | sin x | Would everyone agree that this is equivalent? y = ln \sqrt{(sin x^2)} Then...
  45. T

    Appropriate graphic symbol for log()?

    In the computer world at least, the symbol ^ is often used for exponentiation. I was just wondering if log has had anything in the multitude of languages out there. It would be nice to see an operator such as "1000¬10=3" instead of writing LogBase10(1000)=3 which is more ugly. I'm writing a...
  46. O

    Some sort of transform to find the log of a series

    I am trying to write a computer program that involves finding 2 very large numbers (several thousand digits) and dividing them to get a reasonable sized number. the first number is a value of the gamma function, which can be defined as a product and thus easy to reduce with logs (find the sum...
  47. S

    Exam problem : solve exponential withh log? This one is killin me

    exam problem : solve exponential withh ... log? This one is killin me! 36^x-6*6^x=-9 please show and explain steps
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    What is the solution to (sinx)*(lnx)= 0 over [0, 2pi]?

    Homework Statement If (sinx)*(lnx)= 0 over [0, 2pi], then what does x equal? Ok, I know I posted a question similar to this one a few days back, but I need some clarification on something. Below is the work that someone showed me. lnx=sin^-1 (0) lnx=0 Log\hat{}x\check{}e=0 (If you...
  49. N

    Mathematica Plotting Log as part of an equation in mathematica

    Hello I'm trying to plot log as part of an equation in mathematica and it does not seem to be working for me. for example I'm using Plot y = 25x / log10 (x) - 50x I'm just experimenting with different numbers and formulas to see what happens to the log curve...
  50. M

    Net Force on Log: Solving Using Cosine & Sine Laws

    Homework Statement Two ropes are attached to a log that is floating in the water. A force of 80.0 N is applied to one rope and a force of 60.0 N is applied to the other rope, which is lying at an angle of 40° from the first rope. What is the net force on the log? We know that the angle...
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