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When the armed insurgents are using civilians in a war zone, the insurgents are at fault. The video proved that. Let's not confuse the facts.NobodySpecial said:
When the armed insurgents are using civilians in a war zone, the insurgents are at fault. The video proved that. Let's not confuse the facts.NobodySpecial said:Or they turn the leak into the story rather than the details of soldiers shooting civilians.
Evo said:When the armed insurgents are using civilians in a war zone, the insurgents are at fault. The video proved that. Let's not confuse the facts.
Werg22 said:The Swedes provided assistance to the Nazis, even when they claimed to be Neutral..
Fabchester said:I think this is a Gov't set up and consider him dead. Once dead will it trigger a massive release of all his documents and can the Gov'ts find his cache before this happens?
I generally agree. Moreover, I extend that same logic to other situations.Evo said:When the armed insurgents are using civilians in a war zone, the insurgents are at fault.
Indeed - the continued failure of an english player to win Wimbledon lowers moral and harms the country. From now on the scores of any British player in any international competition must be kept secret.Gokul43201 said:I generally agree. Moreover, I extend that same logic to other situations.
Ivan Seeking said:Why are you are assuming that he didn't rape anyone?
Office_Shredder said:If this is your argument for why Swedish arrest warrants shouldn't be trusted, you should just stop arguing
Besides, even if he did, interpol was never after rapists. Closest is children molesters, which does not apply. Interpol websites nowhere mentions they could go after him (at least according to the current charges).Proton Soup said:read the other thread. something about not using a condom. $700 fine and no jail time.
I do not understand why you are saying that. As of right now, interpol's website still has a http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/PR101.asp up for Assange.zomgwtf said:Interpol isn't 'after him'. At least get what's going on straight.
humanino said:I do not understand why you are saying that. As of right now, interpol's website still has a http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2010/PR101.asp up for Assange.
Well, thank you for attempting to clarify what this means, but as a matter of fact I already know that. You are trying to dismiss my argument by claiming that I believe interpol staff arrest people ?zomgwtf said:...
humanino said:Well, thank you for attempting to clarify what this means, but as a matter of fact I already know that. You are trying to dismiss my argument by claiming that I believe interpol staff arrest people ?
Then thank you for correcting mistake, and clarifying what the standard procedure is. I still remain concerned about the "diplomacy deals" behind this procedure, and I still think there is a double standard here. If it is not acceptable to release classified/private mails potentially harmful, neither is it acceptable that precisely what Assange is trying to fight is being used against him and the whole majority of news agencies do not report it.zomgwtf said:...
humanino said:Well, thank you for attempting to clarify what this means, but as a matter of fact I already know that. You are trying to dismiss my argument by claiming that I believe interpol staff arrest people ?
Specifically the part about Interpol's role. Assange is a fugitive wanted by Sweden, Interpol's job is to help Sweden get him to their country. Precisely what they are doing right now.The persons concerned are wanted by national jurisdictions (or the International Criminal Tribunals, where appropriate) and Interpol's role is to assist the national police forces in identifying or locating those persons with a view to their arrest and extradition.
humanino said:I said that I searched on interpol website what justifies the red notice for Assange, and I have failed. It may be that it is there, but I just did not find it. In that case, I would appreciate help. However, I think I put reasonable efforts into trying to find what the justification is. He is not a child molester. Was there ever a rapist on red notice by interpol ? I think not.
Maybe http://www.interpol.int/Public/FinancialCrime/IntellectualProperty/Default.asp could justify the red notice, but then let the red notice be about intellectual property, not rape. In any case, if somebody thinks they know what justifies or could justify his red notice according to interpol guidelines, please let them help me !
Well, I had already looked in there. And I searched many examples, but none I could find compares. This is simply preposterous that they use interpol to be after him for those charges. Assange was in contact with the prosecutrix and suggested several times that they either meet at the swedish embassy in the UK, by teleconference, or at the local police. It is not like he refuses any cooperation or was hiding before.zomgwtf said:Go to 'Fugitives' section of the website and then go to WANTED. That's what the red notice on Assange is issued for. It has nothing really to do with the crime commited but the fact that he is a fugitive of Sweden.
If I were convinced the two are unrelated, I would be more comfortable with the red notice. I am not even saying there should not be a red notice. I am just saying not for the current charges (alleged "rape", about which he was willing to cooperate).zomgwtf said:Now it's a whole other ball park whether or not this is the real reason behind Sweden apprehending Assange or not. I tend to think it is since America is still looking into it's legal abilities at apprehending Assange right?
Gokul43201 said:If unscrupulous diplomats make shady deals with corrupt officials...
Ivan Seeking said:Is that the case, or is the sausage making just ugly? I keep thinking this is just a case where nobody wants to hear the truth about the nature of politics and diplomacy.
I don't know the details of all information released. What I have heard about didn't strike me as unusual or irregular.
Swedish warrant arrives; UK to arrest Assange
The arrest warrant issued by the Swedish court has been submitted to the Scotland Yard on Monday, Dec 6. European media reported that Assange will be held soon. It is expected that British authorities may handover Assange to Sweden over the rape allegations made by two Swedish women.
Ivan Seeking said:Is that the case, or is the sausage making just ugly? I keep thinking this is just a case where nobody wants to hear the truth about the nature of politics and diplomacy.
I don't know the details of all information released. What I have heard about didn't strike me as unusual or irregular.
Galteeth said:There is of course the insurance policy which the government is very worried about; namely that if anything happens to him, he has threatened to release an encryption key for an extremely damaging document dump.
Two different girls four different allegations I believe 3 separate occassions. This is pretty serious if you ask me.She said the first complainant, Miss A, said she was victim of "unlawful coercion" on the night of 14 August in Stockholm.
The court heard Assange is accused of using his body weight to hold her down in a sexual manner.
The second charge alleged Assange "sexually molested" Miss A by having sex with her without a condom when it was her "express wish" one should be used.
The third charge claimed Assange "deliberately molested" Miss A on 18 August "in a way designed to violate her sexual integrity".
The fourth charge accused Assange of having sex with a second woman, Miss W, on 17 August without a condom while she was asleep at her Stockholm home.
You may not understand the logic because you do not understand his point of view. He obviously dedicated his life and became passionate to the point where he is not reasonable anymore. From this point of view, it does make sense (at least it may make sense to him) that if his life were to be terminated, he would at least want the insurance that the information is not lost. I think it is pretty clear that he has extreme ideologies.BobG said:Yes, that is a very interesting choice of insurance policies. If a country or organization wants to see that information, all they have to do is kill Assange?
The quote does not match the transcript I have seen. Can you please indicate where this quote comes from ?zomgwtf said:hmmm it seems it's more than just a rape allegation but four.
Two different girls four different allegations I believe 3 separate occassions. This is pretty serious if you ask me.
humanino said:The quote does not match the transcript I have seen. Can you please indicate where this quote comes from ?
Whether it's true or not, I don't know, but I imagine that's just a matter of checking the records.Both women have declared that they had consensual sexual relations with our client and that they continued to instigate friendly contact well after the alleged incidents. Only after the women became aware of each other’s relationships with Mr. Assange did they make their allegations against him.