Baltimore's Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses after Ship Strike

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gmax137 said:
How big do you suppose the thruster motors are?
According to wiki "For maneuvering, Dali has a single 3,000 kW (4,000 hp) bow thruster."

That's about 3/4 of the capacity of one of its four 4 megawatt diesels. Going back to the original NTSB report, it does show the bow thruster being powered off of the 6600v bus. My bad!
 
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berkeman said:
Sure, but that's why engines have rev limiters. :smile:
I was going to mention that my 70’s vintage cars do not have rev limiters, but I was wrong. An out of control over rev situation is automatically corrected when a con rod comes out through the block.
 
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Nugatory said:
An out of control over rev situation is automatically corrected when a con rod comes out through the block.
So it's a "rev limiter" in much the same way as the ground is a "fall limiter"?
 
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Nugatory said:
I was going to mention that my 70’s vintage cars do not have rev limiters, but I was wrong. An out of control over rev situation is automatically corrected when a con rod comes out through the block.
Or when you run out of oil on the Interstate Highway. :cry:
 
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OmCheeto said:
Also, while I have zero knowledge of this type of vessel, it strikes me as very peculiar that the chief's schematic shows the 'reefer containers' and 'bow thrusters' running on 6600 volts. A quick google shows that these type of 'reefers' run on 440 volts, which would be more in line what I would suspect.
I think you badly underestimate the power requirements for thrusters on large ships. Below are some specifications for a fairly large vessel built to transport and deploy loads of rock that underlays submerged pipelines: (https://www.ingeteam.com/Download/2574/attachment/case-study-joseph-plateau.pdf.aspx)
Vessel Thrusters.png

Vessel Specs.png

All of the electric motors for thrust and propulsion provide multiple-megawatts of mechanical power and all run at over 3000V, so each draws currents of multiple-hundreds of amps. If they all ran at 440V instead, their draw would increase to multiple-thousands of amps each. Can you imagine the size of the conductors needed to carry that much current and the additional weight-penalty that the vessel would have to bear?
 
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renormalize said:
Can you imagine the size of the conductors needed to carry that much current and the additional weight-penalty that the vessel would have to bear?

You are of course correct. I guess I should have done the maths after I found the actual wattage rating (Post # 281).

3,000,000 watts/6600 volts = 450 amps * 1 cable
3,000,000 watts/440 volts = 6800 amps ≈ 15 cables * 450 amps

I would love to see the control circuitry for that monster. I wonder how long it takes to get up to full speed. Might be a factor in the incident.
 
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