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We might even have commercial fusion energy by the time he gets out.russ_watters said:SBF is going to go to prison for a really long time.
We might even have commercial fusion energy by the time he gets out.russ_watters said:SBF is going to go to prison for a really long time.
russ_watters said:https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/business/ftx-alameda-research-cooperating/index.html
That sounds like a lot to me -- and fast. SBF is going to go to prison for a really long time.
I really want to read her book. From the library though, I don't want to send her any of my money.
https://www.coindesk.com/tv/first-mover/first-mover-dec-22-2022/Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research, and former FTX co-founder Gary Wang plead guilty to fraud charges in the FTX case, seeming to turn against their former boss Sam Bankman-Fried, who faces similar charges. Bankman-Fried, founder of both the cryptocurrency exchange FTX and the crypto trading firm Alameda Research, is expected to make his first appearance in federal court in Manhattan today.
The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has called FTX’s FTT exchange token a security. FTT was sold as an investment contract, and is a "security," the SEC said in a complaint filed late Wednesday, in a move that is sure to have a wide-ranging impact on the industry. "If demand for trading on the FTX platform increased, demand for the FTT token could increase, such that any price increase in FTT would benefit holders of FTT equally and in direct proportion to their FTT holdings," the SEC wrote in its complaint.
Former Alameda Research CEO Caroline Ellison and FTX co-founder Gary Wang have pleaded guilty to criminal fraud charges tied to FTX's collapse. The SEC and Commodity Futures Trading Commission also announced charges against the two, saying Ellison manipulated the price of FTT. The duo are cooperating with investigators. The U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York did not specify what they were being charged with.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...el-documents-forfeiture-of-assets/ar-AA15yfHnCaroline Ellison Plea Agreement: $250,000 Bail, Surrender of Travel Documents, Forfeiture of Assets
The agreement states that if Ellison fully cooperates with the SDNY's investigation, as well as any other law enforcement agency designated by the office, she won't be further prosecuted criminally except for possible criminal tax violations with regard to the wire and commodity fraud charges that resulted from commingling funds between FTX and Alameda accounts.
russ_watters said:https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/21/business/ftx-alameda-research-cooperating/index.html
That sounds like a lot to me -- and fast. SBF is going to go to prison for a really long time.
I didn't get very far in that article before recognizing it is total garbage.kyphysics said:https://www.huffpost.com/highline/article/white-collar-crime/
^^^^I still think he gets out in 5-6 years. We'll see.
Call me jaded/cynical, but our world is unfair.
kyphysics said:...
russ_watters said:I didn't get very far in that article before recognizing it is total garbage.
Probably the most similar case is Madoff, who got 150 years, but died after 12.
Jeffrey Skilling only got 14 years, but Ken Lay died before sentencing
I'd FINISH THE ARTICLE, as I'm guessing you got 5% or less of its content. The beginning is a bit "broad," but seriously. . . it gets good/enlightening the further into it you get.russ_watters said:I didn't get very far in that article before recognizing it is total garbage.
Probably the most similar case is Madoff, who got 150 years, but died after 12.
Jeffrey Skilling only got 14 years, but Ken Lay died before sentencing
Well I've wrote it as a factual statement and then realized I had to laugh too, so your right.nsaspook said:The quip about "commercial fusion energy by his release" is more true than funny.
I have to side with @russ_watters on this one. I too think Huffpo is very one sided and the journalism is rather poor. It is more ideology with news on top than news with ideology on top.kyphysics said:I'd FINISH THE ARTICLE, as I'm guessing you got 5% or less of its content. The beginning is a bit "broad," but seriously. . . it gets good/enlightening the further into it you get.
Also, it's NOT garbage, as I'm a sociology major (one of my triple undergrad majors) and its contents comport with literature in the field (see, for example, The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison, which is standard reading for any introductory course on social stratification/inequality and/or race)
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/explainer-did-bankman-fried-secure-221259494.htmlfluidistic said:SBF won't go to jail. His parents bailed him out with 250 mega dollars. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/business/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-bail.html
"Can we pay with crypto?" He's the perfect ex-crypto bro, living with their parents.Does the bail amount mean Bankman-Fried or his family has $250 million?
No. In Bankman-Fried's case, the $250 million bond is secured by his parents' home. Since Bankman-Fried's parents signed the bond agreement, they would be on the hook for $250 million if their son flees.
"They can take everything else," said Michael Bachner, a New York criminal defense attorney. "They can go ahead and take the bank accounts, the IRA accounts, stock accounts."
The $250 million bond does not reflect the family's assets, which could not be determined. Bankman-Fried said in late November that he now had "close to nothing" left and is down to one working credit card with "maybe $100,000 in that bank account."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...pto-investigators-offer-new-clues/ar-AA15xfIFIn a crypto bull market, billions of dollars flowed freely amongst market participants, allowing Alameda’s use of FTX funds to go largely unnoticed and unquestioned. But in May 2022, the stablecoin TerraUSD collapsed, causing a domino effect that wiped out over $400 billion in value in the crypto ecosystem. A stablecoin is so named because it is supposed to stick to the value of the U.S. dollar. Stablecoins are a crucial part of the crypto ecosystem: when they work correctly, they provide traders with the option of parking their volatile crypto assets in a more stable currency.
While some stablecoins are fully backed with dollars being held in an account, TerraUSD was algorithmic, meaning that it relied upon code, market activity and sheer belief in order to keep its peg to the dollar. The stablecoin’s peg was also theoretically propped up by its algorithmic link to another currency, Luna—but many experts questioned the stability of such a system.
It sure looks like there was 'intent'.Several major industry players including Three Arrows Capital and Voyager Digital filed for bankruptcy as a result of TerraUSD and Luna’s crash. The ensuing chaos forced many crypto lenders to call back their loans. Alameda was one of the companies forced to pay up, the CFTC says. The agency alleges that Alameda did not have the cash on hand to service its debts—and that in May or early June at Bankman-Fried’s direction, Alameda directly pulled several additional billion dollars worth of FTX user funds to pay off its debts. (Bankman-Fried has repeatedly denied that he “knowingly” transferred FTX user funds to Alameda.)
Afterward, FTX’s internal books showed that Alameda owed $8 billion to FTX. But in order to hide this hole, FTX executives isolated it into a folder called “our Korean friend’s account,” according to the CFTC. (This may be a reference to Do Kwon, the embattled Korean co-founder of TerraUSD and Luna.) Due to this change, the debt no longer showed up on FTX’s ledgers, the agency alleges.Over the last couple months, Polk and other analysts at Nansen have been tracking money flows from FTX to Alameda. They published their findings in an extensive report on Nov. 17, which shows the many frantic transactions that FTX made following the TerraUSD crash. In particular, FTX transferred hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency first to Alameda and then to the trading firm Genesis, which had served as a major lender to many crypto companies.
Ok , so they bailed him, but what's the point? To give him that last time of freedom to enjoy his morning cappuccino while it lasts?fluidistic said:SBF won't go to jail. His parents bailed him out with 250 mega dollars. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/22/business/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-bail.html
If the house was acquired with crypto money related to the crimes SBF is charged with the house can be seized. https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.c...enforcement,without compensation to the owner.artis said:PS. There is a chance I think that his parents property value is so high because it was acquired with his crypto money help.
That's the classical stuff all crooks do around the world, enrich their relatives so that in case $h!T goes south they can at least cling on to something.
Yes. "Bail" means he doesn't have to stay in jail until the trial is over. If he disappears while on bail, the money (in this case 250 million USD) is forfeit, so it is a kind of guarantee that he will appear at his trial.artis said:He will still have to stand trial and get a prison sentence or am I missing something here ?
artis said:Ok , so they bailed him, but what's the point? To give him that last time of freedom to enjoy his morning cappuccino while it lasts?
He will still have to stand trial and get a prison sentence or am I missing something here ?
I am asking because I am not a US native so not that familiar with the US justice system peculiarities.
PS. There is a chance I think that his parents property value is so high because it was acquired with his crypto money help.
That's the classical stuff all crooks do around the world, enrich their relatives so that in case $h!T goes south they can at least cling on to something.
“The real issue is that if he violates his bail, they’re going to take his parents’ house…So the real test is not whether it’s $250 million or $100 million or $25 million. It doesn’t matter — it’s the house that’s the collateral,” Sorkin said.
The bail of Michael Milken — an executive at Drexel Burnham Lambert charged with racketeering and securities fraud in 1989 — was also set at $250 million, which is worth about $570 million today when adjusted for inflation. He pleaded guilty the following year to six felony counts and was sentenced to $600 million in fines and 10 years in prison.
Assistant US attorney John K. Carroll asked Federal District Judge Kimba M. Wood to set bail for Milken at $250 million, to be collateralized by the $700 million being set aside for the racketeering counts, the New York Times reported at the time. The government considered Milken’s earnings — he had received more than $1 billion over the last five years from Drexel —when coming up with that figure.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing...hat-i-was-doing-was-wrong-says-ftx-co-founder"I knew that it was wrong," Ellison said about her actions, according to a transcript of her plea hearing released on December 23. This is what she told a federal judge in Manhattan on Monday in entering her guilty plea, according to a transcript of the hearing that was unsealed on Friday.
Edit/update: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/caroline-ellison-told-judge-ftx-110951327.htmlGary Wang, the co-founder of FTX, said, during his plea hearing, that he was "directed" to make changes to FTX's platform code in order to benefit Alameda. He also claimed that he was aware of misrepresentations being made to clients and investors.
"I knew what I was doing was wrong,” Wang said, according to the transcript.
Ellison, Bankman-Fried's ex-girlfriend, pleaded guilty to seven charges on December 19, carrying up to 110 years in prison after striking a plea deal with the Justice Department. The court unsealed the transcript of her plea hearing on December 22.
FTX cofounder Gary Wang also pleaded guilty. The plea deals that they both have struck with federal prosecutors in New York freed them each on bonds of $250,000. Ellison and Wang are now cooperating with prosecutors as part of their plea agreements.
Wang said during his plea hearing on December 19 that he was directed to change FTX code to give Alameda special privileges on the trading platform.
Ellison has agreed to waive any defenses to the charges. Per her deal with prosecutors, she also agreed to pay restitution that is yet to be determined. She must also provide documents, records, and evidence to prosecutors, as well as testify to a grand jury or at court trials when requested.
Among the 130 or so companies in Sam Bankman-Fried’s sprawling crypto empire, North Dimension Inc. assumed a low profile. Unlike FTX, its name wasn’t splashed on billboards or sporting arenas, and its business wasn’t promoted by celebrities.
. . .
That SEC complaint, against former Alameda CEO Caroline Ellison and former FTX co-founder Gary Wang, said money wired to North Dimension by FTX clients for their own use wound up funding Alameda’s trading activities and Bankman-Fried’s other ventures instead.“Bankman-Fried had directed FTX to have customers send funds to North Dimension in an effort to hide the fact that the funds were being sent to an account controlled by Alameda,” the SEC said in the complaint. North Dimension’s website did not disclose any connection to Alameda, the regulator added.
Neither did North Dimension’s website, now out of commission, mention any ties to Bankman-Fried. Instead, the company claimed to sell mobile phones, laptops and other such items out of the same Berkeley, California, address that housed FTX US. . . .
I love the term 'Ponzinomics'.artis said:After this you can watch this short 8 min video from the youtuber "Coffeezilla" where he dissects a interview that SBF had done some time before all came crashing down. He basically describes the core of his business as we now know it.
TeethWhitener said:
Note that this interview was 8 months ago. He basically told everyone that he was running a Ponzi scheme and no one dared call him on it because he was a wunderkind.
Edit: I see artis beat me to it. I’m thinking SBF plays the dumb kid card and gets maybe 10 years but serves 2-4 with good behavior, along with a restitution plan that he never actually pays (a la Jordan Belfort).
According to a complaint made public on Tuesday in Manhattan federal court, Avraham Eisenberg's trades in futures related to Mango's crypto token MNGO enabled him to withdraw $110 million in cryptocurrencies from other investors' deposits, with no apparent intention to repay the funds.
Eisenberg was arrested on Monday night in Puerto Rico, U.S. Attorney Damian Williams in Manhattan said in a court filing. It was unclear whether Eisenberg has a lawyer.
Eisenberg called the Mango Markets exploit a “highly profitable trading strategy,” sparking outrage in the DeFi community. While some in the DeFi community believe Eisenberg did nothing wrong, others have heavily criticized his actions and their negative effect on the space.
The crypto wallets associated with now-bankrupt trading firm Alameda Research, the sister company of FTX, were seen transferring out funds just days after the former CEO Sam Bankman Fried was released on a $250 million bond.
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The ongoing fund movements from Alameda wallets coincided with Bankman Fried’s bail because right after FTX filed for bankruptcy on Nov. 11, the exchange wallets were hacked for millions of dollars. The United States Department of Justice is currently investigating the $352 million FTX exploit right after its bankruptcy filing as well.
Yup, it seems every other youtuber is following him now like that guy that followed Elon Musk's private jet on twitter, it is kind of funny truth be told.fluidistic said:What I described above ocurred around 18 hours prior to my message, so it wasn't discussed in artis's video. SBF behaves as a criminal noob. If only his FTX had privacy related cryptocurrencies support, he could have done it better. Unfortunately for him, he chose transparent cryptos and we can all watch what he's doing in real time.
It seems like a major portion of all related to crypto indeed.OscarCP said:I thought many were using bitcoin (this word used generically here by me, so no capitalized) to get rich quick speculating with it,
The usual convention is to use the capitalized version when referring to the cryptocurrency (and lower case when referring to the token).OscarCP said:The NPR article that was used to start this discussion mentions "the bitcoin community."
Community?
I thought many were using bitcoin (this word used generically here by me, so no capitalized) to get rich quick speculating with it, or because they do not trust any governments to impose on them the use of what they consider not just made-up, but also personally offensive fiat money minted and printed by governments. As well as governments in general.
One concern in all this I have about what is looking as an unraveling of the bitcoin dream, is precisely its speed and depth. I wonder, in this time with enough pressures on the world economy (a raging war in Europe with Russia closing heating gas in winter to much of it, the economic problems in China and elsewhere due to the lingering effects of the Covid 19 pandemic that is still going around -- and so on and so forth) where and when this bitcoin disaster is going to end, if it ends?
Because misplaced faith sometimes tends to be enduring.
(Asks someone that never had and shall never have anything to do with bitcoin, but follows the news.)
With many thanks to those who have contributed to this worrisome, but informative thread.
I was referring to the speed and the depth of the current unravelling of bitcoin (*) , at least as it seems to be happening these days. I was expressing concern on what this, if true, could do to some national economies.fluidistic said:The usual convention is to use the capitalized version when referring to the cryptocurrency (and lower case when referring to the token).
Not sure what you mean by Bitcoin's speed: it takes roughly 10 min to get a new block into the blockchain, ...
Hmm, I don't see what you're referring to... is it the fact that a bitcoin has a price much lower than a year before? And that countries like El Salvador had some amount of money pegged to it? Or the fact that GPU prices went down (thanks to Ethereum too), perturbing the economy in some way?...OscarCP said:I was referring to the speed and the depth of the current unravelling of bitcoin (*) , at least as it seems to be happening these days. I was expressing concern on what this, if true, could do to some national economies.
fluidistic said:Hmm, I don't see what you're referring to... is it the fact that a bitcoin has a price much lower than a year before? And that countries like El Salvador had some amount of money pegged to it? Or the fact that GPU prices went down (thanks to Ethereum too), perturbing the economy in some way?...
If scandal doesn't subside and more new crimes are unveiled it might happen, at least for a while.fluidistic said:A slow death by disinterest