Breaking Down the 2016 POTUS Race Contenders & Issues

In summary, the top contenders for the 2016 US Presidential Election are Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Bernie Sanders. The major issues that are being discussed are the lack of qualifications of the contenders, their stances on jailing all of the other candidates, and the stances of each candidate on various issues.
  • #106
Dotini said:
Do you take a dim view of those who have lost their jobs to foreign competition? Do you take a dim view of young men and women who have graduated college with $80k debt and no prospect of employment?
What does that have to do with Trump? Are you saying the unemployed would be smart to vote For trump? For what reason?
 
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Rubio under pressure as Republicans debate in South Carolina
http://news.yahoo.com/rubio-under-pressure-republicans-debate-075954788.html

Experience seems to be an issue, along with positions on immigration, health care, foreign and domestic commerce and the regulation thereof, . . . .

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/gop-candidates-to-senate-don-1364649168953398.html
GOP candidates urge Senate to block Obama’s Supreme Court pick
 
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South Carolina republican caucus primary is this Saturday, February 20.

George W. Bush offers tough Trump takedown in campaign debut
http://news.yahoo.com/brothers-foreign-policy-controversies-shadow-jeb-bush-sc-093223612--election.html

Will GW's presence help his brother Jeb?
http://news.yahoo.com/george-w-bush-save-jeb-110700528.htmlThe SC democratic caucus primary is the following Saturday, February 27.Nomination of a Supreme Court justice to replace the late Antonin Scalia is a looming issue.
 
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SC uses primaries (like NH), not caucuses (like Iowa).
 
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jtbell said:
SC uses primaries (like NH), not caucuses (like Iowa).
Correction made. I was looking at a page that had Nevada caucus and South Carolina primary in a list and transposed the caucus/primary. :confused:
 
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The Democrats in SC have in fact used caucuses in the past. My wife participated in our local Democratic presidential caucus in 1988, at which she was the only supporter of Paul Simon.
 
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jtbell said:
A new TV commercial for Rubio talks about "morning in America" while showing the sun rising over Vancouver, British Columbia. :rolleyes:

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35589655
Yeah, all those cities by the sea look alike. Rubio is advertising metaphorically.

It would have been great if Ted Cruz had done the add. :biggrin: Trump would have been all over him.Rubio's add mentions $20 trillion of national debt, which it probably will be when Obama leaves office.

US Debt as of February 2016: $18,989,803,014,663 - according to the Concord Coalition on February 16, 201
http://www.concordcoalition.org/us-total-national-debt?gclid=CPTd-M-S_soCFdgVgQod6K4Mvg

Code: 
   Date           Debt US$
09/30/2015   18,150,604,277,750.63
09/30/2014   17,824,071,380,733.82
09/30/2013   16,738,183,526,697.32
09/30/2012   16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011   14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010   13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009   11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008   10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007    9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006    8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005    7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004    7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003    6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002    6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001    5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000    5,674,178,209,886.86

Source: https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Congress is a partner is this debacle.
 
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Astronuc said:
US Debt as of February 2016: $18,989,803,014,663 - according to the Concord Coalition on February 16, 201
http://www.concordcoalition.org/us-total-national-debt?gclid=CPTd-M-S_soCFdgVgQod6K4Mvg

Congress is a partner is this debacle.

Should the world and US economies turn to recession, this US debt will still be owed by the US taxpayer. The collapse of this debt bubble would be horrific to behold. Not only are congress and the executive responsible, but so are regulatory agencies such as the Fed . In my view, particular culpability must reside with the academics who provided the imprimatur of theoretical legitimacy to go so far out on the limb. They served up the Kool-Aid that the bankers, politicians, legislators, regulators and pundits so eagerly drank to justify the risks. Trump has repeatedly warned of this debt bubble, as have others before him.
 
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Astronuc said:
Congress is a partner is this debacle.
Since 2010 not so much. How many times does Congress need to shut down the government, or threaten to do so, over excessive spending fights before it's no longer a partner to excessive spending.
 
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mheslep said:
Since 2010 not so much. How many times does Congress need to shut down the government, or threaten to do so, over excessive spending fights before it's no longer a partner to excessive spending.
All blame goes to Republicans. They're terrorists for "holding the economy hostage" in the debt ceiling fight, unwilling to compromise and yet still somehow responsible for high debts. Meanwhile, Clinton balanced the budget all by himself! :rolleyes:

The reality is that both Clinton and Obama put significant effort into increasing the debt substantially beyond what it currently is (what they succeeded in adding) and only failed to increase it further due to concerted Republican efforts to stop them. It's one of the only real (hollow/incomplete) "successes" of the recent Republican controlled Congresses!
 
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Ted Cruz Vows To Sell Off Or Give Away Nevada’s Public Lands
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/02/19/3751233/ted-cruz-public-lands-ad/

Not all citizens. Just those who have the money.

Of course, the State could purchase it for all Nevadans. OK, they won't, because that would be using taxpayer money.

So, sell the good land off to those who can afford it. And I'm sure, they shouldn't have to pay property taxes.

Where and when does the nonsense end?
 
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jtbell said:
Bush has dropped out.

!Jeb
 
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Trump wins in South Carolina, Clinton in Nevada
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c4f378baf5404e569d3a2a4e2581996b/republicans-face-s-carolina-dems-battle-nevada

Jeb Bush Ends Presidential Campaign
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/20/467505778/jeb-bush-ends-presidential-campaign
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/jeb-bush-drops-republican-race-president-014432613--election.html

Donald Trump has won the South Carolina primary, while Florida Sen. Marco Rubio appears to have edged out Texas Sen. Ted Cruz for second place.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/20/467507410/trump-cruz-and-rubio-battle-for-south-carolina-prize

Earlier tonight, there were reports that Trump was losing support.
Code: 
Trump  31%
Cruz  19%
Rubio  17%
Kasich 10%
Bush  9%
Carson  7%
South Carolina
https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-election-results/south-carolina/
Donald Trump is favored to win the Republican primary in the crucial Palmetto State. (6:25 pm EST)

Washington Post analysis and data from Huffington Post's Pollster. Feb 18

New data: Donald Trump loses support ahead of South Carolina primary
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-dat...head-of-south-carolina-primary-election-2016/

NBC: Donald Trump and Ted Cruz lead the field into the South Carolina Republican Primary. (before precincts begin reporting)
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...licans-next-choose-presidential-races-n521651

"Many Palmetto State republicans apparently have indicated that sharing religious beliefs with a presidential candidate is important to them, including 45 percent who feel it matters a great deal, 32 percent feel that it matters somewhat, while 11 percent apparently feel it does not matter much, and 11 percent who expressed sharing religious beliefs doesn't matter at all." Kind of interesting influence. I have to wonder how strong the sentiment is across the south and in the Midwest.

Cruz Hopes To Overcome Bitter Accusations With Faith
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/19/46736...pes-to-overcome-bitter-accusations-with-faithMeanwhile - way out west - apparently Hillary Clinton declares a big win. 5% is not a big margin.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/20/467503655/hillary-clinton-projected-to-win-nevada-caucuses
 
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Wealthy donors drawn to Rubio White House bid after Bush drops out
http://news.yahoo.com/wealthy-donors-drawn-rubio-white-house-bid-bush-052900358.html

"Jeb's network is already naturally migrating to Marco," said Gaylord Hughey, a top Bush fundraiser from Texas, echoing what four other top donors told Reuters. "It's the clear path."

"It's a stampede," added another donor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he wanted to give Bush some time after dropping out before he went public with his support of Rubio, the U.S. senator from Florida.
Rubio, the new establishment candidate.John Kasich's South Carolina Primary Speech
http://news.yahoo.com/video/john-kasichs-south-carolina-primary-011802505.html
 
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Latest http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html on GOP possible match ups versus Clinton, suggesting nearly anybody standing up can beat Clinton in the general election, *except* for Trump:

  • Clinton vs Trump: Clinton by 2.8
  • Clinton vs Rubio: Rubio by 4.7
  • Clinton vs Cruz: Cruz by 0.8.
  • Clinton vs Kasich: Kasich by 7.4
Assuming Trump is beaten in the primaries, he may be doing the GOP a favor by drawing the Democratic smears, i.e. a sort of honeypot, like this comparison of Trump to Hitler published in the Washington Post, a former newspaper and now tabloid.
 
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mheslep said:
Latest http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html on GOP possible match ups versus Clinton, suggesting nearly anybody standing up can beat Clinton in the general election, *except* for Trump:

  • Clinton vs Trump: Clinton by 2.8
  • Clinton vs Rubio: Rubio by 4.7
  • Clinton vs Cruz: Cruz by 0.8.
  • Clinton vs Kasich: Kasich by 7.4
Assuming Trump is beaten in the primaries, he may be doing the GOP a favor by drawing the Democratic smears, i.e. a sort of honeypot, like this comparison of Trump to Hitler published in the Washington Post, a former newspaper and now tabloid.

This is assuming that Clinton actually wins the Democratic nomination. There is still a (strong) possibility that Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic nomination, and I've seen other polls which indicate that Sanders can handily beat all of the other GOP candidates for the presidency (including Trump). I'll provide a link to that poll subsequently once I find it.

Aside: It is curious that Clinton's primarily line of attack against Sanders is that she is "more electable" than Sanders, when the polls indicate the opposite.
 
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StatGuy2000 said:
There is still a (strong) possibility that Bernie Sanders wins the Democratic nomination,
Sanders has done better than expected and well in the NE, but he's completely non-competitive with Clinton in the South. Since SC and Nevada: Clinton 502 delegates, Sanders 70, and Sanders doesn't have four other guys he can claim are drawing off his votes and delegates. In the South, Sanders is no contest. Georgia is Clinton +38. Texas is Clinton +29. Florida is Clinton +39. NC Clinton +20. Virginia Clinton +17. The Democratic nomination is over unless Clinton gets a criminal referral from the FBI on the handling of classified information.

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Aside: It is curious that Clinton's primarily line of attack against Sanders is that she is "more electable" than Sanders, when the polls indicate the opposite.
Agreed.
 
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Learn how to speak to the audience - Kasich thanks women ‘who left their kitchens’ to support him
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/kasich-women-who-left-their-kitchens-204507982.html

Well, the may have been the case 40 years ago. My mom spent a lot of time in the kitchen. So did I in the afternoon before dinner.

Ted Cruz fires longtime campaign spokesman Rick Tyler over tweet (not sure about Facebook) about Rubio and the Bible
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/ted-cruz-fires-spokesman-over-facebook-post-about-223008143.html

GOP to Kasich: Get out <- That's not nice!
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/gop-insiders-want-kasich-gone-219634
Republican leaders want him to step aside in favor of other establishment candidates.
 
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mheslep said:
Sanders has done better than expected and well in the NE, but he's completely non-competitive with Clinton in the South. Since SC and Nevada: Clinton 502 delegates, Sanders 70, and Sanders doesn't have four other guys he can claim are drawing off his votes and delegates. In the South, Sanders is no contest. Georgia is Clinton +38. Texas is Clinton +29. Florida is Clinton +39. NC Clinton +20. Virginia Clinton +17. The Democratic nomination is over unless Clinton gets a criminal referral from the FBI on the handling of classified information.

From the various different news sources I've followed, Sanders is primarily non-competitive among older (and especially older African-American voters), who comprised a significant chunk of the primary voting in Nevada, and likely many of the other states as well. That being said, the early polls have shown Clinton being far ahead of Sanders, only to see her lead diminish (after all, the Sanders campaign have sought to reach out to African American and Hispanic American voters, and Clinton is not necessarily as popular among minority voters compared to her husband), so in no way do I think that the Democratic nomination is even close to being over -- not by a long shot. I am of course setting aside any of the controversy regarding the handling of classified information on Clinton's part, which from what I've read amounts to a whole bunch of nothing.
 
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StatGuy2000 said:
That being said, the early polls have shown Clinton being far ahead of Sanders, only to see her lead diminish
Not really the case. Sanders and Clinton were http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html Sanders has never been remotely close in the South. I agree he'll improve, but he's still down double digits with a week to go in Texas. There's no such history in the southern polls to show when Sanders has ever had any strength, in any southern state.

StatGuy2000 said:
(after all, the Sanders campaign have sought to reach out to African American and Hispanic American voters, and Clinton is not necessarily as popular among minority voters compared to her husband),

The candidates don't include Bill; its Bernie v Hillary. Among minorities, it is no contest.

Diff-Between-White-and-Non-White-Dmocrats.png
 
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mheslep said:
Not really the case. Sanders and Clinton were http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html Sanders has never been remotely close in the South. I agree he'll improve, but he's still down double digits with a week to go in Texas. There's no such history in the southern polls to show when Sanders has ever had any strength, in any southern state.
The candidates don't include Bill; its Bernie v Hillary. Among minorities, it is no contest.

Diff-Between-White-and-Non-White-Dmocrats.png

The graphics above indicates that, while there is still a sizable gap in support between Clinton and Sanders among non-white Democratic voters, that gap has narrowed somewhat (the trajectory of support for Sanders is on the upswing, and the support for Clinton is on the downswing). This indicates to me that there is still room for the Sanders campaign to make inroads among non-white voters if they tailor their message in the right way (the article you linked indicates some problems that the campaign has in that area).

Unlike you, I am at this stage by no means dismissing a Sanders win just yet. For a supposed front-runner (and when I say front-runner, all of the media commentary had seemed to indicate that Clinton was a virtual shoo-in for the Democratic presidential nomination, many months before actual campaigning even begun), Clinton ought to be doing much better than she actually is.
 
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Can anyone clarify Sanders is a Marxist and/or his Marxist ties? Also, it seems Sanders backed the terrorist IRA group during their prison starvation tactic? (these are easily found on google, but I can easily find the many sources if you want, I just can't right at this moment as I am so busy) Is he just some hippy that goes back and forth between anti-government issues when what we need right now is someone that can bring things together?
 
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Astronuc said:
"Ohio Gov. John Kasich and retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson remain in the race, but neither was competitive in Nevada."
To give Rubio and Cruz a chance everyone else needs to drop out.
 
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Greg Bernhardt said:
To give Rubio and Cruz a chance everyone else needs to drop out.
I'm sure Cruz feels Rubio et al should drop out, and Rubio feels Cruz et al should drop out.Cruz made comment a few days ago about having an active military of 1.4 million. Ostensibly, he would have to cut other parts of the federal budget so as not to increase overall spending.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/south.../2016/02/ted-cruz-2016-military-policy-219322
 
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Evo said:
Can anyone clarify Sanders is a Marxist and/or his Marxist ties? Also, it seems Sanders backed the terrorist IRA group during their prison starvation tactic?
It appears there are a number of sites, which portray Sanders as a Marxist.

Sanders in his own words: "I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal." The statement is about 2/3's down the page in the following link:
https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/

Some 'Marxist' website on Sanders: http://www.marxist.com/usa-bernie-sanders-and-the-2016-presidential-election.htm

Regarding the IRA, it seems more a matter of protesting British treatment of incarcerted IRA members. A letter to Thatcher is posted, a
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...t-Thatcher-about-the-IRA-hunger-strikers.html

I haven't found any endorsement or support of the IRA or their use of violence against Protestants or others.As for Sanders ability to unite the country, some his rhetoric seems somewhat divisive, or at least inflammatory to some.
 
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Astronuc said:
It appears there are a number of sites, which portray Sanders as a Marxist.

Sanders in his own words: "I don’t believe government should own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a fair deal." The statement is about 2/3's down the page in the following link:
https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/

Some 'Marxist' website on Sanders: http://www.marxist.com/usa-bernie-sanders-and-the-2016-presidential-election.htm

Regarding the IRA, it seems more a matter of protesting British treatment of incarcerted IRA members. A letter to Thatcher is posted, a
http://www.irishcentral.com/roots/h...t-Thatcher-about-the-IRA-hunger-strikers.html

I haven't found any endorsement or support of the IRA or their use of violence against Protestants or others.As for Sanders ability to unite the country, some his rhetoric seems somewhat divisive, or at least inflammatory to some.
Thank you! We need to scrap the whole bunch of contenders and start over with a fresh batch, just IMO.

Why isn't Mitt Romney running? If he stepped into the race right now, wouldn't he more or less be guaranteed the Republican nomination?
 
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Evo said:
Why isn't Mitt Romney running? If he stepped into the race right now, wouldn't he more or less be guaranteed the Republican nomination?
He doesn't want to lose for a third time (against Hillary). I am not sure Trump voters would switch to Romney. Trump voters are trying to make a statement.
 
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Chris Collins explains his support for Trump’s candidacy - What!? Temporary insanity? One too many :headbang: ?
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/washington-politics/chris-collins-explains-his-support-for-trumps-candidacy-20160224
WASHINGTON – Rep. Chris Collins, a mainstream Republican from Clarence, on Wednesday became the first sitting member of Congress to endorse bombastic billionaire Donald Trump for president.

“Donald Trump has clearly demonstrated that he has both the guts and the fortitude to return our nation’s jobs stolen by China, take on our enemies like ISIS, Iran, North Korea and Russia, and most importantly, re-establish the opportunity for our children and grandchildren to attain the American Dream,” Collins said in a statement released first to The Buffalo News.
:oldsurprised:

I heard Collins say that Trump is a businessman, and we need to run the country like a business.

It reminds me of a comment a manager once made to me, "A business is not a democracy." Funny that the top managers made out like bandits when the company crashed. Two had received nice bonuses and golden parachutes. Didn't leave much for the remaining stockholders.
 
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