Calculate the power consumed by dependent source

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the power consumed by a dependent source in an electrical circuit. Participants explore various aspects of circuit analysis, including mesh currents, node voltages, and the application of Kirchhoff's laws. The conversation includes attempts to clarify the relationships between different currents and voltages in the circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the 10A source does not create a supermesh and provides equations for loop currents.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the equation (i3-i2).(1/10)=0 and asks for clarification on the origin of vx.(10)=10.
  • There is a suggestion that if nothing is missing on the left side of the circuit, then loop 3 and current i3 do not exist, and that the 10A source fixes the mesh current i2 at 10A.
  • A participant proposes that the value for mesh current i2 can be determined by inspection, leaving only i1 to solve, and asks for the value of Vx.
  • Another participant confirms the equation for mesh 1 and inquires about the net current flowing into the dependent source.
  • One participant calculates i1 as 161.9(A) and the power consumed as -455.7(W), questioning the correctness of the result.
  • There is a discussion about whether the source is producing or consuming power based on the current direction and voltage across it.
  • Participants agree that the previous equation for mesh 2 was incorrect and that i3 should be eliminated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of certain equations and the existence of loop 3. While some calculations are confirmed, there is no consensus on the overall correctness of the power calculation or the implications regarding the dependent source.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential missing elements in the circuit analysis, such as the presence of a power supply, and discuss the implications of the dependent source's behavior without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



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calculate the power consumed by dependent source

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The 10A source does not build a supermesh.
Loop 3:
(i3-i2).(1/10)=0 => i3=i2
Loop 2 :
i2=10(A)
i3=10(A)
vx.(10)=10=> vx=1(V) (node voltage)
also for loop 2 :
1/10(i2-i3)-3vx+(1/110)(i2-i1)=0
i1=-320(A)
To calculate the power consumed p=v.i=-3vx.i

I am not sure what current goes through the dependent source, i think it is (i2-i1)
 
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Is there something missing on the left side? A power supply?

(i3-i2).(1/10)=0
Why should this be zero?
vx.(10)=10
Where does that come from?
I am not sure what current goes through the dependent source, i think it is (i2-i1)
Right.
 
mfb said:
Is there something missing on the left side? A power supply?

Why should this be zero?
Where does that come from?
Right.

1) Nothing is missing.
2) Maybe no voltage source was on the left side.
3) Fix it, it should be vx.(1/(1/10))=-10 (cause the 10A source is going out the node).
Is the equation for Loop 2 correct ?
 
If there is nothing missing on the left then there is no loop 3, and no i3. Furthermore, the 10A source will fix the mesh current i2 at 10A (because the 10A source is in a portion of that mesh that is not shared with any other mesh and so that mesh current is the only current that flows in that branch making the mesh current identical to the current in that branch).

So you've got a value for mesh current i2 by inspection, and only have i1 to solve. Given that you know i2, what's Vx? Can you write KVL for the i1 mesh?
 
gneill said:
If there is nothing missing on the left then there is no loop 3, and no i3. Furthermore, the 10A source will fix the mesh current i2 at 10A (because the 10A source is in a portion of that mesh that is not shared with any other mesh and so that mesh current is the only current that flows in that branch making the mesh current identical to the current in that branch).

So you've got a value for mesh current i2 by inspection, and only have i1 to solve. Given that you know i2, what's Vx? Can you write KVL for the i1 mesh?

vx=-1 (V)
KVL for mesh 1 :
(1/110).(i1-i2)+3vx+(1/100).i1=0
 
ongxom said:
vx=-1 (V)
KVL for mesh 1 :
(1/110).(i1-i2)+3vx+(1/100).i1=0


Yes, that looks good. So what's i1? How about the net current flowing into the dependent source?
 
gneill said:
Yes, that looks good. So what's i1? How about the net current flowing into the dependent source?

substitute vx=-1, i2=10A we have i1=161.9(A).
p=-3vx.(i2-i1)=-3.(-1).(10-161.9)=-455.7(W)
Is the result correct now ?

So according to the diagram, i3 should be eliminated and the above equation of mine for mesh 2 was incorrect, right ?
 
ongxom said:
substitute vx=-1, i2=10A we have i1=161.9(A).
p=-3vx.(i2-i1)=-3.(-1).(10-161.9)=-455.7(W)
Is the result correct now ?
The number 455.7 W is good. One thing to verify is whether or not the source is actually producing or consuming power. Suppose you label the device with the actual potential across it. Is the current entering or leaving via the more positive terminal? A voltage supply that is producing power has current leaving via its + terminal.
So according to the diagram, i3 should be eliminated and the above equation of mine for mesh 2 was incorrect, right ?
Right.
 

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