Correct Derivation of the Adiabatic Condition? (PV Diagram)

In summary, the correct derivation of the adiabatic condition in thermodynamics involves understanding the relationship between pressure (P), volume (V), and temperature (T) during an adiabatic process, where no heat is exchanged with the surroundings. This derivation typically utilizes the first law of thermodynamics, along with the ideal gas law, to establish the adiabatic equation, which is often expressed as \( PV^\gamma = \text{constant} \), where \( \gamma \) is the heat capacity ratio. The PV diagram illustrates the changes in pressure and volume during such processes, highlighting the characteristic curves representing adiabatic transformations compared to isothermal processes.
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Homework Statement
Derive the condition the Adiabatic Condition ##PV^{\gamma} = \text{constant}## for a monatomic ideal gas. I believe ##\gamma = \frac{5}{3}##.
Relevant Equations
Equipartition Theorem:
##E = \frac{3}{2} NkT \Rightarrow \Delta E = \frac{3}{2} Nk \Delta T##

Ideal Gas Law:

## PV = NkT \Rightarrow P \Delta V + V \Delta P = Nk \Delta T ##

First Law:

##\Delta E = Q - W ##

Adiabatic:

##Q = 0##
By the First Law, Definition of an Adiabatic Process, and Definition of Work:

##\Delta E = Q - W = - W = - P \Delta V ## (because ##Q = 0##) (Equation 1)

By the Equipartition Theorem:

##\Delta E = \frac{3}{2} Nk \Delta T ## (Equation 2)

By Setting Equation 1 equal to Equation 2

## \Delta T = - \frac{2P}{3Nk} \Delta V## (Equation 3)

Differential Form of Ideal Gas Law:

##P \Delta V + V \Delta P = Nk \Delta T## (Equation 4)

Plug Equation 3 into Equation 4


## P \Delta V + V \Delta P = Nk \Delta T = - \frac{2P}{3} dV## (Equation 5)

So getting rid of the middle man

## P \Delta V + V \Delta P = - \frac{2P}{3} dV## (Equation 6)

Moving the LHS over to the RHS we have


##\frac{5}{3} P \Delta V + V \Delta P = 0## (Equation 7)

This can be stated another way


## \frac{\Delta P}{\Delta V} + \frac{5}{3} \left( \frac{1}{V} \right) P = 0## (Equation 8)


Equation 8 can be re-written in a calculus friendly way and we can use some basic methods of Differential Equations to solve for ##P## as a function of ##V## or just stop a step before doing that and establish ##PV^{\gamma} = \text{constant}##

## \frac{ dP}{dV} + \frac{5}{3} \left( \frac{1}{V} \right) P = 0## (Equation 8)

multiply through by integrating factor ##\mu = e^{\int \frac{5}{3V} \,dV} = e^{ln v^{\frac{5}{3}}} = v^{\frac{5}{3}}##

## v^{\frac{5}{3}} \frac{ dP}{dV} + \frac{5}{3} \left(v^{\frac{2}{3}} \right) P = 0## (Equation 8)

We recognize the LHS as the derivative of ##PV^{\frac{5}{3}}## So

##\frac{d}{dV} \left( PV^{\frac{5}{3}}\right) = 0## (Equation 9)

So

##PV^{\frac{5}{3}} = \text{constant}## (Equation 10)

of course if we really wanted to we could say

##P = \frac{\text{constant}}{V^{\frac{5}{3}}}##

Hopefully I didn't play too fast and loose with derivatives ##d## and full changes ##\Delta##, thanks in advance for any help/guidance.

If the above work is correct, how can we establish that "Adiabatic process on the PV diagram are steeper than those of isotherms".............after all we don't necessarily know what each "constant" is in

##PV = \text{constant}_1 ## (Isotherm)

##PV^{\frac{5}{3}} = \text{constant}_2## (Adiabat)

Are ##\text{constant}_1## and ##\text{constant}_2## the same?
 
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Maybe this is too simplistic but maybe it will get some ideas rolling

if we have two parallel isotherms (they have to be parallel at least locally for a given ##V##) to get from one to the other ##T## has to change. The only way to get from one ##T## to another ##T## (i.e. from one isotherm to another) is to follow a path that connects the two isotherms which is necessarily steeper than either isotherm.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
Are ##\text{constant}_1## and ##\text{constant}_2## the same?
It is meaningless to ask if they have the same value since they are dimensionally different.
The claim that one is steeper then the other would make sense on a log-log chart.
 
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haruspex said:
It is meaningless to ask if they have the same value since they are dimensionally different.
The claim that one is steeper then the other would make sense on a log-log chart.

Fair but what about my reasoning in post 2?:

If isotherms are parallel and in adiabatic processes ##T## changes then adiabats must "travel between" isotherms making them necessarily steeper?

I will ponder your log-log argument and respond.
 
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PhDeezNutz said:
Fair but what about my reasoning in post 2?:

If isotherms are parallel and in adiabatic processes ##T## changes then adiabats must "travel between" isotherms making them necessarily steeper?
That's probably valid, but you can also get there by writing down the equations for how P depends on V in the two cases, taking the derivatives, evaluating at ##(P_0, V_0)##and taking the ratio.
 
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FAQ: Correct Derivation of the Adiabatic Condition? (PV Diagram)

What is the adiabatic condition in thermodynamics?

The adiabatic condition refers to a process in which no heat is exchanged with the surroundings. In thermodynamic terms, this means that the system is perfectly insulated, and any changes in internal energy are due solely to work done on or by the system. In an ideal gas, this can be represented mathematically using the adiabatic equation, which relates pressure and volume during such a process.

How is the adiabatic condition represented on a PV diagram?

On a PV (pressure-volume) diagram, the adiabatic process is represented by a curve that slopes downward from left to right. This curve is steeper than the isothermal curve (which represents a process at constant temperature). The exact shape of the adiabatic curve depends on the specific heat capacities of the gas involved, and it can be described by the equation PV^γ = constant, where γ (gamma) is the ratio of specific heats (Cp/Cv).

What is the relationship between pressure, volume, and temperature in an adiabatic process?

In an adiabatic process for an ideal gas, the relationship between pressure (P), volume (V), and temperature (T) can be described using the adiabatic relations. The key equations are: P1V1^γ = P2V2^γ and T1V1^(γ-1) = T2V2^(γ-1). These equations show how changes in volume and pressure affect temperature and vice versa, maintaining the adiabatic condition throughout the process.

What is the significance of the adiabatic condition in real-world applications?

The adiabatic condition is significant in many real-world applications, such as in the operation of heat engines, refrigerators, and air compressors. Understanding adiabatic processes allows engineers to design more efficient systems by minimizing heat loss. Additionally, adiabatic processes are essential in atmospheric science, where they explain phenomena such as the cooling of rising air parcels and the formation of clouds.

How can one derive the equations for the adiabatic process?

The derivation of the adiabatic equations starts from the first law of thermodynamics, which states that the change in internal energy (dU) is equal to the heat added (dQ) minus the work done (dW). For an adiabatic process, dQ = 0, leading to dU = -dW. By using the ideal gas law and the definitions of specific heat capacities, one can derive the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature, resulting in the equations PV^γ = constant and TV^(γ-1) = constant.

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