Did Moses Predict the Big Bang Theory?

[Peter Pan]

must not be a smoker...he's got a lot of wind...i am breathing heavy just reading

Pan

 

[oscar]

Relax, take a deep breath and then go on... I don't want you to have a heart attack!

 

[oscar]

I hope Mr. Moderator won't say Goddard Space Flight Center is talking "science fiction":
www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020801gravityfield.html[/URL]

 

[oscar]

http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/08.htm

 

[oscar]

What happened with Nereid, Peter Pan and the rest?

 

[oscar]

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/gl...tophysical.html

Of course, if Mr. Moderator wants to have a personal chat with the respected SCIENTIST to take him out of misery, I can provide adress...HE-HE-HE!

 

[Andre]

Don't worry. They are around, I'm sure. It's not a chatbox of course. Don't despair when an answer takes a day.

Moreover is quite heavy stuff though and requires some philosofising. Why don't you glance casually at this thread. There may be some useful hints about how a theory works.

 

[oscar]

www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

 

[oscar]

Interesting! Yet that thread didn't explain why Moderator hid the # of posts, replies and views. What do you think is happening in his scientific mind? Do you think he maybe affected cos his beliefs are put in jeopardy?

 

[russ_watters]

Don't trust me, do your homework!

As we've explained before, it isn't our homework: its your homework. We won't do it for you. If you've done it, you should be able to present us something (anything) clearly and concisely. For example, what is the bible verse which contains the precise value of Pi?

 

[russ_watters]

I hope Mr. Moderator won't say Goddard Space Flight Center is talking "science fiction":
www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020801gravityfield.html[/URL][/QUOTE] What do you mean? Interesting link, but it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what we're talking about here. There isn't any science fiction there.

 

[Andre]

Well, I guess that there is a very physical explanation for a pulsating equatorial bulge. I can think of one.

However this link is attraction attention. The baloney detector is getting rather nervous. However, there seems to be a Prof. Alexey Dmitriev indeed. So chances are that these new age hypotheses have some trusthworthiness in certain circles.

Our Planet Earth is now in the process of a dramatic transformation;by altering the electromagnetic skeleton through a shift of the geomagnetic field poles, and through compositional changes in the ozone, and hydrogen, saturation levels of its gas-plasma envelopes. These changes in the Earth's physical state are being accompanied by resultant climatic/atmospheric, and biospheric, adaptation processes. These processes are becoming more and more intense, and frequent, as evidenced by the real time increase in "non-periodic transient events"; ie., catastrophes.

What to do with it. Looking at the late quartenary geology, say the last million years there are most certainly many remarkable phenonema. But if "altering the electromagnetic skeleton through a shift of the geomagnetic field poles" is bothering him, rest assured, it happened many times and there is no trace of Earth going through difficult times. For the moment there is no clear relationship between Earth magnetic field (changes) and climate (changes).

but we can explain the majority of them with the "clathrate gun" together with the same design flaw of planet Earth that killed https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=2974.

Just plain physics, no unknown cosmic phenomena.

 

[oscar]

Russ: you can insist forever what it's my duty or not. The theme here was Big Bang and I have already explained that knowledge was known 1800 years ago by Maimonides who knew Hebrew better than Christians. Then the issue has been changing. Now, if you want me to demonstrate every single aspect teaching you history that's other topic. What we know about modern physics and theories is available all over the places yet history is something not too many people want to search regarding this subject. That's why I say I do my homework, yo do yours. In fact I have giving extra details for quite a while. Now you ask me ANOTHER question? Well, first I would like to know what do you know about Hebrew language? The so called "sacred" cubit measured 25 inches and not 18 while the royal cubit n Egypt was 20 inches. Perhaps your interesting question needs to be examine in Isaiah 19:18, 19. Do you know something about it? Of course not!
Lemme instruct you:
http://greatpyramid.org/aip/gr-pyr1.htm
You will see a reference to Enoch and "inch" in that site. Yet, I tell something more, the name of Aztecs' city was "T-Enoch-Titlan in Nahuatl language and means the same thing mentioned in the Bible about people who knew astronomy, meaning the "city of Enoch" which in Egyptian calendar was related to the constelation of the Dof and Phoenix cicle called Pe-Hanok meaning "house of Enoc". The Maya pyramid in Teotihuacan has the exact number given in the Bible linked to the Enoch who was "taken" (in space-time?)by "God", Genesis 5:23; Genesis 4:17.

 

[oscar]

Most of modern knowledge about Earth, gravity, etc, comes from the same Freemason scientist Newton who not only wrote more about religion than science but in fact sent a friend to measure Great Pyramid. So, he was the first "pyramidiotic". Now that you know in Hebrew math-alphabet code in Isaiah mentions the altar Great Pyramid both in the center and border of the country, now that you know the hidden inscription tells us about 5449 sacred Hebrew inches and the chamber in the pyramid measuring 365.25 inches , you can see the same number appears linked to Enoch in Genesis and you can remember what I already said about the numbers 666 and 144.000 related to speed of light measured paying attention the circle of the Earth and not a straight line.
www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_2.htm
Of course, Mr. Moderator don't believe references cos he thinks he knows more than scientists in Goddard Space Flight or the Russian Alexei Dmitirv, perhaps he wants me to give Mike Lockwood's e-mail or adress in Rutherford Appleton National Laboratories in California, but who cares what Mr. Moderator could argue with them? Only him, of course.
I say again in case the stupid question comes again about formulas, THE BIBLE NEVER PRETENDED TO BE A SCIENTIFIC BOOK though some scientific accurate information is implicit. How many times do I have to post the same thing to stop making idiotic questions in that sense? For example, the instructions in order to make the ark were already explicit. God or the angel didn't explain to Moses circumsition exactly at the 8th day increased protrombine and vitamine K which is the better day to coagulate blood (while Western civilization took thousands of years to teach doctors to wash their hands!), Gods didn't explain to Jews, Incas, Egyptians if they practice circumsition they wouldn't get penis cancer. Hence the question RussRogerWaters asks belongs to Pink Floyd's stone trip, unless of course he can't add something more and has to repeat the same old "argument" to disregard what he considers useless.

 

[oscar]

Constelation of the Dog (sorry, I wrote "dof"). More about Pi? Okey dokey:
http://www.yfiles.com/pi.html
http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Pi_through_the_ages.html
More questions?

 

[Antonio Lao]

The Old and the New Testaments of the Bible seem to be full of miraculous events. Without using modern days scientific explanations, these events will continue to remain as miracles. But recently, I saw a program in the history channel that some of these events can be explained as extraterrestial interventions of superintelligence of lesser gods.

 

[oscar]

Antonio Lao: I really didn't pretend to talk about all possible theme about the Bible because that would really lead us off the topic.I stated the issue Big Bang and eventually transformed into this. If we understand the original Hebrew language we could know more than the superficial layers known by 99.9% of Christians.In Hebrew, for example, there's a significant difference between "create" (barah) and "form", "make" or "modelate". In Genesis 1:26; 2:7, 18, 21, 22 in the context of Adan & Eve it doesn't say "create" but form from something already existing. In fact in 1:26; 3:22 and 11:6,7 we clearly see the use of PLURAL regarding "gods" (without being important what modern clasification we give to civilizations type I, II, III). It's not majestic plural of Trinity (as adapted from paganism centuries after Christ) but verb in plural of the "elohim". The Bibles don't translate "in the beginning the gods created heaven & earth" cos of the singular verb. But in the verses I mention it's specific use of plural as anybody can understand. The "god" as witnessed by Moses was a sort of angel as Acts 7:30, 35, 36, 38 describes very well. But it's not the unique book saying scientific facts in hidden way. Michio Kaku perhaps should ask his parents about the own writing of the first 5 numbers in Japanese since thousands of katakanas (2000) were imported from Chinese ideograms and then study Frank Rampsey's math gliphs. But, he's too busy and that's understandable yet regretable.

 

[oscar]

http://fusionanomaly.net/greatpyramidsofgizah.html

 

[oscar]

Sorry, it's not that but this:
http:fusionanomaly.net/greatpyramidsofgiza.html

 

[oscar]

http://fusionanomaly.net/greatpyramidsofgiza.html

 

[ZelmersZoetrop]

All genetic information is decoded at the speed of light by RNA messenger which combines DNA “letters” into 3 letter “words”.

RNA transcription takes place at light speed now, guys! Wow! Those ancients sure were brilliant to have known that. Erik von Daniken is proud of you, Oscar.

 

[Nereid]

It's not baseless The Mayas predicted eclipses with 1000 years anticipation neither the fact of their exact to the second Venusian calendar. What is baseless is your ignorant comment without knowing neither history nor what modern astronomers have openly recognized about them! In insist, do homework and URGENTLY search your local library or buy a book in bookstores.Until then...

I read through the links you posted, but missed those two specific predictions.

Please provide:

- a list of which specific eclipses the Mayas predicted

- the Mayas' 'exact to the second Venusian calendar'; I'm particularly interested in how you determined its accuracy.

 

[Nereid]

*SNIP
It's easy from our modern perspective to talk about equinox and precesion when we already have a better idea of the things or after Newton and Copernicus checked ancient documents. But the people in the past couldn't actually witness those things even to IMAGINE long number of years about those cosmic laws.

I think you have - inadvertently - looked down on our ancestors. For example, the
Saros cycle, or something similar, was discovered a very long time ago, and there's nothing particularly mysterious about that. Nor any need to invoke hyper-dimensional beings with deep wisdom; plain ordinary intelligent people of the time were perfectly capable of working it out themselves.

Part of the reason I asked you about Needham and the history of science and technology in China was to illustrate this point. Needham and his team certainly found considerable ingenuity on display from ancient China, and quite a lot of what we call 'science and technology' today that was discovered - and used - a long time ago in China. Too, being a more or less continuous record, and a very detailed one, they were able to reach a high degree of confidence in their conclusions.

However, IIRC, there was no need to introduce hypothetical hyper-dimensional beings with deep knowledge; plain ordinary people - like you and me? - were perfectly capable of achieving the results that we can see clearly.

 

[Nereid]

No, I'm not saying that. The hyperdimensional gods didn't provide the written formulas but gave many answers with details and instructed them to follow them. That means they gave all formulas already done. In the case of the Sumerian the Annunaki gods gave the use of 6 something I will try to explain in more detail, the same happens with number 52 in Maya and Egyptian calendars. Please notice a humble astronomer Anthoni Aveni from Colgate University, STUDIES Maya culture ans it's admited they had SOPHISTICATED calendar. What a difference from Moderator's attitude saying "that means nothing"!
www./chron.com/cs/CDA/ssitory.mpl/space/2472608[/URL]
This is saying a bit about Venus importance. The Russian Velikovsky -though attacked by Carl Sagan- was not completely wrong in his ideas and in fact one of the confusions was mistaken Venus with Mercury. Not only Mayas gave importance to 2012/2013, in fact observing the events not from any place but from Egypt, Leo constelation (a sphinx is a lion with the face of a man, in other times the tail was like a bull and Egyptians iluminated the lateral sides to give the impression of falcon wings) will position in front of the sphinx. They ancient people received a lot of information even the specialists are puzzled but they have been learning the 5th Sun will be the end of a cycle in that year. In armony with this knowledge the astronomers are detecting changes not only in Venus but in Jupiter and the whole Milky Way:
[PLAIN]www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_928596.html?menu=news.scienceanddiscovery[/URL][/QUOTE]
The first link is dead. Do you have unambiguous evidence that the behaviour of white oval on Jupiter in 2004 was predicted by 'the ancient people'?

 

[Nereid]

Check the site now:
www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/space/2472608

I checked it. It says that the Maya, like many other folk in times gone by, had developed a means to predict, fairly accurately, various sky phenomena. Given the importance of certain predictions, such as the changing of the seasons or the regular flooding of a major river, it's not at all surprising that such means were developed. Despite the way you have positioned these results oscar, they're not all that difficult reproduce, using only the tools available at the time; all you need is patience, a good memory, and a modest degree of attention to detail (oh, and you need to pass the information (modern term) on to younger folk etc; this is all but guarranteed by many social arrangements, e.g. priesthood, guild).

BTW, what does the article mean when it refers to "Ancient Mayan texts include accurate tables showing eclipses for Mars and Venus"?

 

[Nereid]

The Sun itself has increased its magnetic field 230 degrees since 1901. Sunspots are more often and bigger ust like magnetic storms,glowing plasma increased 1000%. I think you can have more information in Rutherford Appleton National Labs in California. On Earth it's forming H0 gas that was not like before in the same amount and it's not related to greenhouse effect or fluocarbon emisors. Venus is getting brighter; Jupiter has energetic charge visible like a tube of ionizing radiation. Magnetic fields in Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are stronger and the planets are getting brighter. Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole.

I appreciate that your task is daunting - how to take the enigmatic, incomplete, etc records, often (always?) written in a dead language which hasn't been deciphered and turn them into specific, concrete predictions, written in the language of science of the 17th to 21st centuries.

However, that's unfortunately what you need to do.

Of all the above statements, the only ones which are close to being testable are:

- "Venus is getting brighter" (but, how much? compared with what? over what time period?)

- "the planets [Jupiter Uranus and Neptune] are getting brighter" (same questions as for Venus)

- "Uranus and Neptune had recent pole shifts, 40, 50 % offset original rotational pole" (what were the original rotational pole alignments? over what time periods did they change? "%" - as a measure of change - of what?)

Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875 on Earth and earthquakes 400% since 1973 [...] Natural disasters increased 410% between 1963 and 1993 (hurricanes, typhoons, mudslides, tidal waves) like THE DAY AFTER film about to come.

These look very specific and concrete, but they lack something ... references to a) databases of such events (so we can check for ourselves the accuracy and consistency of the claims), and b) evidence that such specific claims were made in the writings of the ancients.

We got to check natrium in selenic surface and if atmosphere on Mars is getting thicker. The Earth itself is getting flatter on the poles and increasing the belly Equator and it seems the whole galaxy is moving towards a magnetic zone transforming all planets like spinning the milkshake of SPACE AND TIME with the straw.

The first is not a prediction. The second is a prediction, but is not testable (since no rate or size information is given). The third is unintelligible.

 

[Nereid]

Nereid: I have to confess Chinese civilization achieved a lot of things and now it seems by the time of Christopher Columbus and even prior their ships went far away but they kept many things inside their border and now we're only beginning to understand all what they achieved. I'm not familiar with many things regarding to China though I wanted to study Chinese but as I said before their 50.000 ideograms are related -as well as Sumerian scripture- to a knowledge coming from the gods and directly to the brain, as a program. Their scripture in fact has to be written from the top to the bottom and the scientists know the use of Mandarine language allows the use of the other brain hemisphere better than other languages. The scripture has been compared to Frank Rampsey's math glyphs.

You only need to know ~2,000 characters to be able to read much of what's written in newspapers written in Chinese today. AFAIK, the problem about reading and understanding ancient Chinese isn't so much the characters (tho' that's quite a challenge), but the context and punctuation. Never mind, if all high school and university graduates in China are expected to be able to grasp at least some ancient Chinese, I'm sure you can learn it too.

BTW, the 'top to bottom' is just one way Chinese can be written; in fact all four directions (left to right, right to left, bottom to top as well) are acceptable ... or at least they used to be. I don't know about the 'brain hemispheres'; seems a bit 'sus' to me.

 

[Nereid]

Then you can click on these:
www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/5thsun.htm[/URL]
[url]www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html[/url]
[URL]http://2012.netfirms.com/english/tmc/part3.html[/URL]
[url]www.siloam.net/jenkins/appendx2.html[/url][/QUOTE]But what, exactly, is the prediction for 2012/2013 (or predictions)?

 

[Nereid]

I know, I know, I know you're asking yourselves "what the heck of information about the Sun", "can we trust Oscar's delusions?" Don't trust me, do your homework! Shall I help thee, my dearrr frrriends?
www.ras.org.uk/html/meetings/2001/010309.html[/URL]
Even the experts are puzzled and worried.[/QUOTE]Hmm, discussions of on-going research in astronomy ... many things not yet (well) understood ... seems like a golden opportunity for oscar to tell us what the nature of these objects is (etc), and to make some concrete, specific, testable predictions!

I'll give you a hand oscar: if you can accurately predict what the nature of the short-duration gamma-ray bursts is, you'll be a hero! Be sure to tell us a) how far away they are, b) what the mechanism is for the production of gammas, and c) why the bursts have the duration and (gamma) spectrum that we observe.

 

[Nereid]

http://ascension2000.com/DivineCosmos/08.htm

At first glance, an even more confusing mixture of accurate reporting, inaccurate reporting, (deliberate?) misunderstanding, inconsistency, and so on that even Richard Hoagland's website!

But what has it got to do with hyperdimensional beings beaming the conclusions of their deep knowledge into the brains of ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Sumarians, etc?

 

[Andre]

oscar: Volcanic activity increased 500% since 1875.

Nereid: These look very specific and concrete, but they lack something ... references to a) databases of such events (so we can check for ourselves the accuracy and consistency of the claims),...

Those exist. How about ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/gisp2/chem/volcano.txt[/URL].
It appears that increased volcanic activity after 1875 increased 0% until around around roughly 1930. Then there is certainly some increase until now. (note the year zero or "present" is 1950)

This is one of the most important proxies of the past.

 

[Nereid]

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/gl...tophysical.html

Of course, if Mr. Moderator wants to have a personal chat with the respected SCIENTIST to take him out of misery, I can provide adress...HE-HE-HE!

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[Nereid]

Those exist. How about ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/greenland/summit/gisp2/chem/volcano.txt[/URL].
It appears that increased volcanic activity after 1875 increased 0% until around around roughly 1930. Then there is certainly some increase until now. (note the year zero or "present" is 1950)

This is one of the most important proxies of the past.[/QUOTE]Thanks Andre.

From Greenland and Antartic ice-core data, what can be said about the yearly (decadely? century-ly??) variation in global volcanic activity, over the past 100,000 to 300,000 years? How unusual, wrt volcanic activity, is the period 1875 to 1930?

That's an answer (of sorts) to a); what about b)? {"evidence that such specific claims were made in the writings of the ancients"}

 

[Andre]

Well for 1875-1930 there is nothing unusual in this Greenland ice core proxy, just rather low activity.

The data go back only to 110.000 years BP and unfortunately there is no Antarctic version (yet) We need one desperately.

The marked increase of Volcanic activity in 10,000-20,000 years ago and around 70,000 years ago helps proving my pet idea.

 

[Nereid]

*SNIP
Five hundred years ago, kabalists understood Moses saying God filling eternity, shrank and in that God’s Big Crunch –tsim tsum- there was universal Big Bang expansion. God chose 10 dimensions or aspects to form the universe and included into our universe. 10 times is written “God said” in chapter 1 of Genesis. Kabalists thought only 4 from 10 dimensions are physically measurable while other 6 contracted in submicroscopic dimensions during the 6 days of Creation. So, what Kaku explained in his book HYPERSPACE without saying a word of what I do explain here comes to modern society CENTURIES LATE, I regret to say! The scientists reference to the original space of a “grapefruit” is just a renewed version of kabalists “mustard seed space”. Even in Naimonides times he was aware of Hebrew meaning of the creation STARTING IN THE AFTERNOON AND ENDING IN THE MORNING. Christians ignore the fact, the word “morning” is “boker” in Hebrew and means “distinguished, capable to be distinguish, ORDERED” while “afternoon” is “erev” meaning “confused, mixtured, DISORDERED”. Therefore, what Genesis was saying all the time is creation started in the chaotic entropy of the “afternoon” ending in the quantified order of the “morning”. Usually Christians don’t know either the meaning of the word “yown” translated as “day” and the fact Genesis is talking about simultaneous times using different clocks cos the sequence of events is not the same EVERYWHERE. In Exodus 31:17, Genesis 1:1 and 2:4 we clearly see not only the difference between creative days and THE DAY in which both heaven and Earth WERE MADE from a primordial substance. Then AFTER when energy from photons dropped to 3000 K degrees, the electrons could have stable orbits around helium and hydrogen nucleus and the photons not only liberated from universal matter (SEPARATED IS THE TERM USED IN THE JEWISH TORAH IN GENESIS BOOK) but also became visible. This fire was in the water and there was water in the fire, not separated as we know in our dimension. It was neo-kabalist brothers Wacholsky did in SFX in one of MATRIX movies making the fire have the attributes of water. More than 99% of Universal mass is under the form of hydrogen and helium, two of the slightest elements of the universe. That is known. But how many of you know when Genesis mentions the Earth was empty and vague it’s used the Hebrew words “tohu” and “bohu”? The most important physicist of particles in fact use the initial T and B (from ToHu and BoHu) as the two main blocs of formation of all matter. The pressure of forces of Big Bang literally did a fussion of this T and B into hydrogen and helium. So much of Hawkins’ expertise!

Not many - any? - specific, concrete, testable predictions here, the core of oscar's post starting this thread.


Except (maybe), "More than 99% of Universal mass is under the form of hydrogen and helium, two of the slightest elements of the universe." It's not a 'prediction' from oscar's reading of ancient texts (or, not one that oscar seems to be claiming comes from the texts).

But suppose it is? Well, then we have a concrete, specific example of a *failure* - most of the mass in the universe is in the form of 'dark matter', not baryons such as those comprising H and He!