Friction - signs of the forces correct?

In summary, the conversation is about a friction problem on an inclined plane. The person asking for help is getting the wrong answer and is unsure of where they went wrong in their setup. They ask for help and another person points out that their direction of friction is incorrect. After some back and forth, it is discovered that the person had a calculation error and their answer should have been 338.1 instead of 127. The conversation ends with the person thanking the other for their help.
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Friction -- signs of the forces correct?

Homework Statement


I have a question about part c). I've attached the picture of the problem. It's a typical friction problem on an inclined plane, and I get the wrong answer so there's something about my setup that's wrong.


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I show my work in an attachment. I get P=127, but the answer is P=80. What am I doing wrong. How are the direction of my vectors? Thanks for the help.
 

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  • #2
Your direction of friction seems wrong. Which way do you think friction acts? Up or down the incline?
 
  • #3
Here's where I think the direction of friction is:

1) when motion down the incline is impending, friction points up the incline (Part c).

2) when motion up the incline is impending, friction points down the incline (Part a).
 
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OK, you seem to have the correct direction for friction. I solved it, and got the expected answer. Perhaps you have an arithmetic error.
 
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How'd you get the right answer? I checked it at least 15 times and kept getting the wrong answer over and over and over again. Maybe another one of my forces is pointing in the wrong direction? If you could be so kind as to look over my work, it is attached in the original post -- I also drew a diagram :) Thank you.
 
  • #6
Found the problem

OK... I found your error. Recheck your number 388. That should be 800 sin(25) = 338.1
 
  • #7
omg. I can't believe that. I spent like 2 hours analyzing it and reading the book again to see where I went wrong. You're awesome :)
 

FAQ: Friction - signs of the forces correct?

What is friction?

Friction is the force that resists the motion of an object when it is in contact with another object or surface. It is caused by the roughness of the surfaces and the interlocking of microscopic bumps and valleys.

What are the different types of friction?

The three main types of friction are static friction, kinetic friction, and rolling friction. Static friction occurs when two surfaces are not moving relative to each other. Kinetic friction occurs when two surfaces are moving relative to each other. Rolling friction occurs when an object is rolling over a surface.

How does friction affect motion?

Friction can either increase or decrease motion depending on the situation. It can slow down or stop an object in motion, or it can help an object maintain its motion in a specific direction.

What are some examples of friction in everyday life?

Some examples of friction in everyday life include walking on the ground, rubbing your hands together to create heat, and using brakes to stop a car. Friction also plays a role in activities like writing with a pen, playing a musical instrument, and riding a bike.

How can we reduce friction?

Friction can be reduced by using lubricants, such as oil or grease, between surfaces. Smoother surfaces can also help reduce friction. In some cases, adding wheels or using rollers can also reduce friction. However, completely eliminating friction is not possible.

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