Is enthalpy just the sum of internal energy and work against external pressure?

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Homework Statement
Gas expands from (1L, 10atm) to (4L, 5atm) against constant external pressure of 1 atm. The initial temperature is 300K and heat capacity is 50J/°C. Find change in enthalpy
Relevant Equations
$$1L.atm=100J\ (approx.)$$
$$\Delta U=Q+W$$
$$\Delta H=\Delta U+\Delta(PV)$$
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This is my solution
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The problem arose after reading this post on PhysicsSE and this answer given
But first he must push away all the air that is in the way. This requires some work, ##W=pV##
. In total, the energy he must spend is U+pV
. Let's call that enthalpy ##H##
:$$H=U+pV.$$
So If I remember correct work done is ##-P_{ext}\Delta V##
I don't understand why $$\Delta H=\Delta U+(5×4-1×10)L.atm$$
If that answer (the answer on the PSE post) is correct, the extra work to "push all that air that is in the way" should be $$P_{ext}(\Delta V)=1×(3)L.atm$$

The change in internal energy accounts for extra energy to change the volume, pressure and temperature of the gas so only extra work to push the air out should be as I calculated above(their sum being change in enthalpy) and the solution would be wrong?
 
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Your solution is correct, and, the work calculated in PhysicsSE is incorrect.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Your solution is correct, and, the work calculated in PhysicsSE is incorrect.
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But this answer on physics SE was the best definition/analogy for enthalpy. How do I understand enthalpy now? (logically/intuitively)
 
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It is not necessary to assign a physical interpretation to enthalpy. This description in SE is just a feeble attempt to do so (in my judgment). Again, in my judgment, enthalpy is just a convenient shorthand combination U and PV which occurs frequently in many analyses of thermodynamics. Unlike U and S, H is not a fundamental property of materials at thermodynamic equilibrium.

Of course, if you want to think of enthalpy the way they have interpreted it, there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Again, in my judgment, enthalpy is just a convenient shorthand combination U and PV which occurs frequently in many analyses of thermodynamics. Unlike U and S, H is not a fundamental property of materials at thermodynamic equilibrium.
But $$\Delta G=\Delta H-T\Delta S$$
##\Delta G## and ##T\Delta S## are well defined
##\Delta G## is the amount of useful work done or the energy released/gained after both enthalpy and entropy changes are accounted for.
##T\Delta S## is the amount of work/energy provided by the environment

From the equation we may conclude that ##\Delta H## is the net energy change/energy required for the process to happen.

Then my question becomes:
Why is the net energy change in a reaction/process equal to ##\Delta U+\Delta (PV)## ?

It is only logical that the energy change in a process is ##\Delta U=Q+W##. It is not understood (by me) where the extra ##\Delta(PV)## change in energy comes from or goes to
 
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Aurelius120 said:
But $$\Delta G=\Delta H-T\Delta S$$
##\Delta G## and ##T\Delta S## are well defined
##\Delta G## is the amount of useful work done or the energy released/gained after both enthalpy and entropy changes are accounted for.
##T\Delta S## is the amount of work/energy provided by the environment

From the equation we may conclude that ##\Delta H## is the net energy change/energy required for the process to happen.

Then my question becomes:
Why is the net energy change in a reaction/process equal to ##\Delta U+\Delta (PV)## ?

It is only logical that the energy change in a process is ##\Delta U=Q+W##. It is not understood (by me) where the extra ##\Delta(PV)## change in energy comes from or goes to
You can interpret these things in any way that works for you. But the only way to really test your understanding is to solve some problems. I hope you are solving actual problems, rather than speculating forever about what these functions mean.
 

FAQ: Is enthalpy just the sum of internal energy and work against external pressure?

Is enthalpy just the sum of internal energy and work against external pressure?

Enthalpy (H) is defined as the sum of the internal energy (U) of a system and the product of its pressure (P) and volume (V). The equation is H = U + PV. It represents the total heat content of a system and is particularly useful in processes occurring at constant pressure.

How is enthalpy different from internal energy?

Internal energy (U) is the total energy contained within a system, including kinetic and potential energy at the molecular level. Enthalpy (H), on the other hand, includes internal energy plus the energy required to displace the environment to make space for the system (PV term). Enthalpy is particularly useful for describing heat changes at constant pressure.

Why is enthalpy important in thermodynamics?

Enthalpy is important because it simplifies the analysis of energy changes in chemical and physical processes, especially those occurring at constant pressure. It allows us to track heat transfer without needing to account for the work done by the system on its surroundings separately, making calculations more straightforward.

Can enthalpy be measured directly?

Enthalpy itself cannot be measured directly. However, changes in enthalpy (ΔH) can be determined experimentally through calorimetry. By measuring the amount of heat absorbed or released during a process at constant pressure, we can calculate the change in enthalpy.

What is the significance of the PV term in the enthalpy equation?

The PV term in the enthalpy equation represents the work done by the system to "push back" the atmosphere or external pressure to make space for itself. This term is crucial in processes occurring at constant pressure, as it accounts for the energy required to maintain the system's volume against external pressure.

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